you wont be any faster on either bike, no matter what you think or want to believe. and as for asking other peoples opinions, why should what other people here think govern what you may buy. you should be secure enough in what YOU want. so for what its worth, buy the 1299s.

 

you wont be any faster on either bike, no matter what you think or want to believe.

how does that work? More hp counts for something objectively. And if the handling characteristics suit him better, won't that also make him faster?

 

Ride them and buy what you like... it's not like anyone is going to say "Dude... WHAT WERE YOU THINKING!!".

 

Best value is 1199 panigale S's going for $10k right now if you don't want to pony up for a new bike. Ride it for a year or two and buy a used V4 if you don't want to pay the new bike tax.

 

Do Rs being Rs hold their value better than none Rs? You could pick up the R, ride it for two or three years then sell it and pick up a used v4 Pani for perhaps not a huge price difference..?

 

Mate, it all boils down to whether or not you prefer a V2 to a V4. Regardless how much "better" a bike the V4 might be, I would always buy a V2 over it, because I just don't enjoy the feeling of a V4 (or an inline 4).

What's your experience riding either?

If not much, I'd say take both for a ride and see which one floats your boat, then work it out from there.

 

Nope. More hp for most people won’t make them go faster. Especially on the street. It’s an assumption every rookie (and cool-aid drinker) makes.
You want to go faster? Brake less, turn the throttle more, grow some bigger nuts.

 

ah... I wasn't really thinking about the street. Some of the reviewers have said that the V4 is much less scary to ride fast than the 1299, which = going faster with the same nuts.

 

It applies to the track as well. Power is the last thing in the equation. As an example, look at the top speeds of all the MotoGP bikes during qualifying. The highest top speed usually isn’t the fastest. At the other end of the spectrum, my favourite vid. Watch and learn.

 

Of those three options with the price ranges you listed, 1299S with exhaust.

Pros:
Looks: V4 is pretty nice, but the 1299 looks better
Value: cheapest. Although not exactly inexpensive
Electronic suspension. Only bike you have listed with it.
1299cc twin. Reportedly an animal to ride, if you are into that. (The R is 1199cc)

Cons:
V4 is the new hottest bike for 2018 for sure. The 1299S is probably the "least cool" of all of them, relatively speaking.
No warranty
Someone else could have abused it

Another option would be a '12-'13 1199S Tricolore. Looks really nice, the 1199cc engine isn't exactly slow, and prices would be less than the 1299S. An earlier R (2013-2014) are very similar to the later R models too.

 

The 12 isn’t intimidating to ride at all. And I would go as far to say easier for more folk to ride then the 1198.

 

I personally really liked the 1199, and it does have more grunt down low than even the monsters like S1000RR - or it did at the time. It might not have arm-socket pulling torque like the 1198 or 1098 SF, but it'd be a hell of a way to cut your teeth and like has been said, you could get a tricked out-low mile for 13k? Come on people, its a 1200 cc Ducati superbike

Hm, was it the 1199 that had the adjustable engine braking? Sa Weeet.

 

The OP didn’t mention 1199 so I didn’t comment. But if he had that as another option then that would be my first choice. Heaps of not so used bikes going and at a very reasonable price. And with the money he saved he can go buy that 250 Ninja and go clean up everyone on track days

 

For used, it's hard to go wrong with an R model. It will hold a lot more value than the S. That said, I tried a 1299S on the track--it was a smaller track and I was also riding the NSR250 that day, but the the 1299S was shockingly easy to ride. I've tried an 1199 Tricolor on the street and in truth it was a little scary.

Go for the R, get the V4 in a couple years.

 

+1 on a used, well set-up 1199. Seen a handful with full ktech/ohlins suspension plus a long list of mods go for 11-13K ish


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What are you normally riding these days and where/how?
And what change are you looking for?

 

M1100

I get your dilemma. I've been hemming and hawing on what "new" bike to get. I tortured the group here about SL's, Desmosidici's, V-4's (including the Speciale) and V2 Panigales

As mentioned by others, buy something you'd like for yourself. If all goes wrong you can sell the bike and get another. As far as quality of workmanship is concerned all the Ducs are high quality (except for some rumored V4's going up in flames). Unless you're a rock star you'll not be able to ever ride the bike to its full potential. Get what you like at a fair price. Opinions are like toilet seats: every one has one, some are (urine) spot on and others are cracked.

I just pulled the trigger on a 2017 Anniversario (unless the deal falls through). I'm hoping to enjoy as much as possible and not end up as a grease spot on the pavement.

Best wishes on your choice

 

Hey awicpa, thats really funny because my most desirable bike would have to be the Anniversario - it kind of has everything and that paint job is awesome. My chances of finding one of those in Australia is pretty slim though and it won't be as cheap as the other options.

Theres a Pani R I get for $30k (AUD) with the slip on exhausts that i'm really tempted to go for but I'm struggling to decide as the R is less 'streetable'. I wouldn't of thought its much of a difference though - did you get to try them both?

 

From the exquisite Ducati 851 directed by Raymond Roche in 1990 to their last WSBK title with Carlos Checa on board the enormous 1098R back in 2011. That is 14 big showdowns in just 21 years, an astounding accomplishment for what is a little plant based outside of Bologna, Italy.
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For a lot of this time one could contend that Ducati consistently had an uncalled for motor limit advantage on the grounds that during that range for a lot of that time they had up-to a 250 cc relocation edge that they promoted from in the 750 4/1000 2 time, just as the 1000 4 to 1200 2 period that followed.

 

I wouldn't entertain an 1199 of any sort, I found the comparative lack of low down torque to be very disappointing, it needs to be revved much harder than you would expect for a Ducati. I bought an 1199S Tricolore without test riding an 1199 of any sort and that taught be a valuable lesson, never again ! The 1299 is awesome in comparison, it feels different from the moment you pull away. I sold my 1299S Anniversario last year to fund my 57 restomod Austin Healey but now regret doing so. Can't comment on the V4.