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JHP = John Hacket performance in England ?

I can Ask Bruce Meyers if he is interested in porting them anymore, porting is hard on the hands so he may say no. Bruce used to skim the heads to raise compression but if you are already going with high comp pistons this could put your compression too high for pump gas. Is this a street or race bike build?
Hello @ducvet , Thanks for the information, I just took a glance at JHP website and they look professional. I will try to reach out to them.
Also, yes, can you please help by asking Bruce if he is still willing to accept porting cylinder heads? I really appreciate it.
My goal is to get the highest performance that still can be use on the street with regular pump gas.


toine at biggelaar has lots of experience.
Hi @belter , I will check Toine

I asked the question at Fast by Ferracci & received this quick reply;
" Is Philip ex work of my, he may do that,
Need more info from you
Let me know "
Eraldo Fast by Ferracci Racing Products
Hi @2004 999s , thanks for the information.


Ducati Kaemna does porting, no experience with them on that.
Hi @corsemoto , I purchased the Pistal Piston from Ducati Kaemna, in fact yesterday, I was contacting them for Carillo rods.
I will try to reach out to them about porting the head too.

By the way JPrecision replied again and conform that they used to perform 4 valve porting but they don't accept the work for 4 valve porting anymore.
It is getting harder and harder to find professional who do quality work on older generation Ducati engine.
 
One thing about porting i learned from mike chapman @ chapman racing heads was the only way you can have any type of repeatability from port to port after extensive flow bench prototyping is 3D scanning or a renishaw tracer gathering port dementions into surfcam or auto cad for tool path on your CNC milling machine to repeat exactly from port to port & head to head. Attempting to repeat a port design you come up with (by hand) not using a flow bench is not only a crazy idea but thinking you can do it by hand on every head that comes through your door is absolute arrogance.
IT CAN'T BE DONE!

Anybody even mentions porting a cylinder head by hand WITH repeatability & ports as small as a Ducati compared to a big block Chevy is out of there absolute mind.
With ports as small as ours all it takes is 0.020 to much or to little off the roof of a intake port can absolutly kill flow, fuel atomization, direction, you name it basically making things worse......

Don't even think it can be done by hand.
 
JEFFRPM needs his shit list put as a sticky.
Honestly I've been trying to keep quiet about things like this if for no other reason than
'why is it only me having issues with certain parts & services'

I'm finding out its not just me, it's everybody that listens to these so called "experts" that you have nobody to compare them with or to .....THAT'S the problem.

One guy says this or says that we have to take there word because there's NOBODY out there to compare that person's answer to your question with Or against.

That's crazy.

I spent 5 months dealing with absolute incompetent companies & people most of you know I'm shure have done buisness with that have no clue what there doing....Or saying.....Or telling you it's in the box.........yea it fits......it's next.......it's this much.......we will refund your money.......WAFJ
 
I agree with Jeffrpm about the repeat ability of CNC porting vs hand porting to some extent, but. I have seen some CNC porting that did not work better( or even as good) than hand ported heads, Why?
The cnc ports were simply poorly designed and while they flowed tons more it was all at lifts that no cams reached. This was no fault of the process but the programming Ie who decided where to cut and where to weld.

As anything experience counts for some things and a trained set of eyes to make decisions on what should be done is always one of the most important. I can not tell you how many times I have heard Mr. Meyers let a customer know a head was not worth porting based on the casting in his hands. That some times was due to the base ports would need so much material added the costs would not be worth the effort and some times because the owner won the head lottery and all the head needed was some clean up work. Castings and production machining are just that , good enough for production. Neither are intended to be the best and often can be improved but that experience may let you know if it is truly going to make a difference that is worth the work (and cost).

Jprecision does good work no doubt but I can not say I have seen any measurable benefits over traditional ported heads done by a EXPERIENCED porter such as Mr. Meyers, Mr. Ferracci, Mr Axtel (sp) and probably others. Do not kid yourself into thinking CNC is doing anything more than making the process more profitable as it is automated and performed by someone other than the guy who came up with the files. This is not a knock on cnc porting or Jprecision as I know that some of those big name's have used their services with good enough results, that would not happen if they thought it would not be up to their standards.

That said the number of people who are able to do this work and have the experience is shrinking, these guys are getting older and the work can be hard on you. This is likely why many are switching to cnc portiing they can inspect what they have in front of them and then request specific things done , or not done. This may be the reason to send your heads to someone like Mark Sutton who has experience to ask the right questions of who ever they are having the work done by. They are the quality control who might get the head back and know that something is not right vs an end user getting the head back and thinking..... mmmmmmm... pretty ports, without knowing if it will flow better at the lifts you need.

In the end it is your motor and I think The Op is doing the right thing to ask the question. It would be easy to let OCD take over and want "the best" in which case , all those who do it to claim that it is them. They are no different from racers who all think themselves fastest yet all have their day, but will be guaranteed to be proven wrong at some point. As a street bike and not chasing maximum power I see no need to drive yourself crazy looking for the best, that said if it is done by someone with a proven track record of performance and they can give you proven results you should be much more interested in the improvement than the name attached to it.

I have heard no names mentioned here I would not be happy to send a set of heads off to for work, all should be able to use their experience to give you a product improved from production or a answer as to why you may not want to have the work done. Talk to your engine builder and see what they have experienced for gains with ported heads on a similar build and decide for yourself if the cost justified the expense. Either way you have the satisfaction of building something you enjoyed and hopefully it lasts a long enough time that you forget the costs and headaches that happen along the way.
 
Ok what I ment about CNC porting is that it's repeatable.....yes the port needs to be ported correctly in the fist place THEN you make a tool path for repeating it that way a monkey can toss heads into a fixture push a button & go back to his job of cleaning toilets while the machine does the work.
I've seen mike Chapman spend weeks designing a port for a specific rule mandated camshaft to run at a specific rpm range with a mandated intake......Try porting for something like that! Once you figure it out that specific port design is totally worthless on a unlimited motor or changing just any one thing.
I'm shure J Precision Has (I hope) the best all-around port design for a measly 2V 1100DS motor that never sees 8000rpm & runs in the 3000 to 6000 rpm range most of its life.

All I know is his heads with stacks & open K&N filters you have GOT to wear ear plugs while riding this thing the intake noise is so loud I can hardly hear my 2 into 1 termi exaust with fresh packing it's that loud.

Of course I'm sitting right on top of the intakes but my god is this thing loud even my riding buddy's can hear it 30' away it's that noisy
 
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