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Changing Track Oil?

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#1 ·
When a machine turns into a dedicated track machine, what does one do with the oil?

Do oil intervals change? Do you have to change the oil at the end of the season ? What is the deal?
 
#2 ·
Depends on what you're comfortable with. Trust your gut, pick a regimine, use a quality oil and filter, and stick to it. You'll get a few different opinions on this one just like any other oil thread.

If you're like me, oil threads just leave you more confused than when you started (actually, they don't bother me cause I know what I'm gonna do regardless) because if 10 different people reply you'll end up with 15 different opinions.

But, since we're here...I use Amsoil and I don't think we need to discuss the quality of this product. When my bike was street / track, I stuck to the 3,000 mile rule and that included at least one if not two track days a month.

This year is looking promising that my bike will become a full time track bike most likely later on in the summer. When it does, I will continue to use the same oil / filter I always have but I will most likely change it once a year. Maybe twice...but that'll be if I'm really bored and feel like working on the bike and not because I'm doubtful of my oil.

Now be prepared cause you're gonna get guys who go every other track day, every third track day, and every combination in between. Are they wrong?? Not at all!! Is it overkill?? IMO, yes. So pick one and sleep well at night with your decision.
 
#3 ·
Oil Change Intervals

The most critical external factors to oil life are its running time and its operating temperature; on the track you need to use engine rpm as a measure of running time and engine temperature as a measure of the oil's environment.

The oil drain interval that is specified in the owner's manual is for what is called normal service. Normal service is defined as the engine being at normal operating temperature, at highway speeds, and in a dust-free environment. Stop and go, city riding, trips of less than 10 miles, or extreme heat or cold puts the oil change interval into the severe service category, which has a shorter recommended change interval.

When the manufacturer gives a mileage/time criteria for oil changes they're telling you that if you drive every day, but (say) for only short trips to work, your driving habits put you into the severe service category and you should use time, not mileage, as a guide. So you may go 100 miles a week but do it in ten trips.

Motorcycle riding is often different. You usually ride for pleasure, but maybe only once a week outing for 100 miles, one trip (normal service.) So you should use mileage, not time as your change criteria.

Further, manufacturers are saying to change your oil even more often than the mileage interval stated in the manual because your motorcycle rarely experiences only normal service conditions.

The central dogma of motorcycle oil manufacturers and distributors has always been that motorcycles put different demands on their lubricants than do automobiles. In particular, they point to the facts that motorcycles run at higher temperatures and use the same oil in their transmissions as in their engines. The transmission gears supposedly put extreme pressures on the oil molecules, thus causing the long oil polymers to break down. High temperatures can have the same basic effect, as well as additional effects such as the increase in oxidation products.

When the size of the oil polymers decreases ("cut up by the transmission gears," as at least one manufacturer claims), the oil thins. In other words, its viscosity decreases, as well as its ability to lubricate properly. For example, what started out as a 40-weight oil could effectively become a 30-weight oil, or even a 20-weight, after prolonged use.

The viscosity of synthetic-based oils generally drops more slowly than that of petroleum-based oils in the same engine.

Here's the result of one test.

Castrol GTX, a non-synthetic car oil at 800 miles showed a relative viscosity of 0.722, meaning it had retained 72% of its original viscosity. Or, if you want to look at it the other way, the Castrol had lost 28% of its viscosity after 800 miles of use in the motorcycle.

Just for comparison sake, they also tested the viscosity drop of the same Castrol GTX oil after use in a 1987 Honda Accord automobile. At 3,600 miles of use, the Castrol GTX showed a relative viscosity of 92%.

So a motorcycle is definitely a more severe operating environment than a car so the oil change mileage interval should be shorter than for a car.

In the same test, since Mobil 1 car synthetic oil had retained so much of its viscosity after the 1,500 mile test, it was the only oil allowed to run longer in the motorcycle. After 2,500 miles, the Mobil 1 recorded a relative viscosity of 79%.

One more point. If you buy a motorcycle-specific synthetic oil it's no guarantee that you can extend your change interval. There were two motorcycle oils tested, Spectro 4 (petroleum based) and Honda HP4 (petroleum/synthetic blend). Both the Honda HP4 and Spectro 4 had lost over 30% of their viscosity at 800 miles, and over 35% at 1,500 miles.

So, because I ride infrequently for 200 mile jaunts - my choice - is to change my Mobil 1 15W-50 automobile-specific synthetic oil at 3,000 mile intervals.

Oil Temperatures

If the manufacturer supplies the engine with an oil cooler, it needs an oil cooler. Otherwise not, unless you have made significant power-related modifications. Air-cooled engines are designed to run hotter than water-cooled engines, but the rules for oil temperatures are the same for both engines. YOU may be uncomfortable at the higher engine temperatures but the engine has been designed with adequate materials and thermal expansion clearances to run just fine.

From the engine point-of-view, you should expect to see indicated oil temperatures between the gauge midpoint and three quarter mark with occasional excursions to full scale. That’s how the manufacturer selects the gauge mid-point. If the oil temperature is too cool the oil viscosity is higher so you will loose power due to pumping losses.

From the oil point-of-view, you need to maintain lubrication and a high enough viscosity when hot to produce an adequate oil pressure. If the oil temperature is too hot, the oil oxidizes and breaks-down more quickly.

That’s why you should run a synthetic oil, to give you a safety margin against oil breakdown. A regular oil will begin to lose its film strength at temperatures above 220°F, while most full-synthetic oils can be safely used at temperatures as high as 300°F before lubrication-related damage becomes a concern.

As a rule-of-thumb your oil temperature should be kept below 240ÂşF if you want to change petroleum-based oil at the recommended intervals.

For every ten degrees above 240°F, cut your oil change interval in half. A good rule-of-thumb for track use.

Race car builders usually design for oil temperatures between 230°F and 260°F in order to get the best power. Above that range, engine reliability and oil life becomes a factor in racing.
 
#4 ·
Woa...great info there, no doubt about that. But if you think about it, all that doesn't really help in this "simplified" case and still doesn't aide in answering the question. For one thing, I don't know of anyone running an oil temp gauge on a water cooled Duc this side of some race teams. Air cooled motors have oil temp, yes, but not the others. So you're still left with a big unknown in that aspect as oil temp has no coorelation to water temp.
 
#5 ·
To simplify:
(1) Use a high quality synthetic (eg, Motul 300V, Silcolene pro, Royal Purple racing).
(2) Dramatically increase your change intervals. Most racers swap oil out every 2-4 track days (less than 500 miles).

Why,two reasons. First, cheap insurance. Blowing an engine will cost you a couple grand. Second, mental attitude. If you believe your bike is prepped and ready, you'll ride with more confidence - 90% of racing is between the ears.
 
#6 ·
Agree with the mental attitude completely...But please show me just one proven, documented case of a blown engine where the only single factor in the failure of said engine was oil that hadn't been changed often enough!!
 
#7 ·
I'm with xseal and, generally, adhere to that interval. I've switched to Mobil1 Racing4T (formerly MX4T) which is motorcycle specific, rather than Motul 300v for cost/availability reasons. Change out every 3000 miles or 3 track days. No testing to back it up, but no blown engine either.
 
#10 ·
racing a sprint car we changed oil every race day.mostly to check the oil as its draining and to cut open the oil filter.mind you we also went through the valves etc to keep an eye on things .when you get to know your motor it does ''talk'' to you if you listen.in 14 years we have had 1 motor go bad and i saw it coming ,but didn't listen
 
#11 ·
Once anything is modified or not used in the intended manner of where the recommendations came from for the oil change interval, such as Racing, ALL Bets are Off..

The only true way to get a baseline on oil changes would be to install a Hobbs Meter and do some Oil Analysis Samples. Many Racers do this for just that reason and when they find where the oil is not serviceable, then they will cut the change interval back by 25-50% for safety sake.

On your Sprint Car, you are probably running Alky, I know we did. That brings into play a whole other set of circumstances such as fuel dillution and water entrapment in the oil.

I happen to sell oil to a couple of World of Outlaw Cars and they will usually drain the oil after a night of racing to let the water seperate and then in some cases re-use it after running it through a filter.

This is also quite common in trucking and Industrial applications.

Doc
 
#13 ·
Like all oil changes, is it necessary to change the oil filter with every oil change?

Conceptually, it would make sense that I would change the filter as well... but then again the filter would not have all that much use after say only 1000 km +/-

What do you boys think?
 
#15 ·
Like all oil changes, is it necessary to change the oil filter with every oil change?

Conceptually, it would make sense that I would change the filter as well... but then again the filter would not have all that much use after say only 1000 km +/-
Its a wise idea to change the filter, because its fill of oil and none of that oil will drain out of your system when you open the drain plug. Plus filters are cheap! I highly recommend the K&N filter due to its easier installation and safety wire hole!



 
#14 ·
I change my oil every other track weekend and change my filter every other oil change. I use Motul full synthetic.

I have an extra 5 gallon fuel can labelled "USED OIL" that I empty the catch pan into and make sure that when I'm heading to a track that has an approved dump facility, I load it into the RV. Must be as "green" as possible while burning up all this fuel and tires...... :D
 
#16 ·
I usually change between 3-5 trackdays, you can see the condition of the oil though the little glass window. If its dark, change it ASAP. If its light, then maybe you can do another one.
 
#17 ·
Woa! Don't know If I agree with this statement. I use to have my Monster 620ie on the roads a while back. When I would change the oil, or even top up the oil, it would appear that lovely honey brown colour in the window. However, drive about 100 - 150km and the oil went BLACK AS NIGHT!

Don't know if the colour of the oil is a good indication of the condition of the oil . Certainly if the oil is tough like sludge, I will agree that it needs to go.
 
#18 ·
Color is definitely not a good indicator of needing to change with full synthetic. I agree with most of these guys every three track excursions (race or track day) I change the oil. If I do not my bike immediately reminds too. Ducatis are very good about telling you through your transmission when the oil needs to be changed. I know if I go any longer than three track excursions, I start getting false neutrals, and the bike does not shift crisply like it does with new, or good oil. You might not ever blow your motor if you don't change it, but you are definitely doing plenty of damage. I would imagine if you ever wanted to blow a motor by not changing the oil, going to a years worth of track days with no oil change could probably do it.