G'day all, any news is good news, right?....... well here's some info anyway, good or bad

Aus dealership/Ducati Akra full system pricing also jumped up from around $4.5k to almost $5k this year, but there is no stock in the country as advised by my local sales manager who also said the exhaust was 'made to order' and she frowned when she could not confirm a delivery date, saying instead, could be 6 months......little did I realize how right she was until I got a reply from the seller I ordered from (in Italy) stating production was delayed (even though they advertised it as in stock ready for immediate posting) until after 15 June 2022 due to the war in Ukraine......... so no one will have stock unless they had ordered a shipment and had delivery before the war broke out.

Also, ....having become interested in the QD decat pipe thanks to ShizN' Giggz,..... I stumbled onto an Ebay seller in Italy advertising 2 in stock for just under $1300Au - BUT they don't send to Australia - however they confirm the outlet tube accepts all standard slippons........ see attached screen dump.......

PS The Bellissimoto Las Vegas and QD EU sites have been the only ones that mentionthe QD piggy back tuner module quoting around $650US..... others mention retuning but I don't know if they mean plug in or a Rexxer dyno re-tune or ???

I'm not talking the stumpy little Gunshot muffler, rather the QD Decat mid pipe, which replaces the original collector box - both the standard exhaust (muffler) and the Akra slip-on Ducati official accessory are straight through with no restriction (not even a dB narrowing tube) as all the Euro 5 work is contained within the collector box under the rear swingarm and gearbox.

The plan is (because I already have the $2k Au Akra slip-on muffler) to decat and continue to use the Akra slip-on......so far all my internet searches have found is that the QD decat mid pipe assembly is about 800 euro and the QD tuning modue is about 500 euro..... no freight figures to Aus because the local agent probably has an agreement to protect local sales even though he likely does not carry stock and just orders as required........ but I'm still not that interested in paying over 1700 euro just for a decat without any word on how it affects the performance (I know, it yields approx +16Hp, but does it kill the marginal fuel range of the V4 in the process, or does it actually improve it when not playing hard to catch?). Naturally I would like some more music, but not so much that the plod will be attracted and want to talk to me whenever I ride past.......

 

I got my QD from Torque power in QLD, but it was a bit cheaper than they are now

 

Cheers GCT,

Are you talking about the QD Gunshot stumpy muffler or the QD Decat mid pipe/collector assembly and tuning module?

When I talked to Torque Power last year he seemed totally disorganised and I gave up trying to buy the Gunshot muffler I thought I had to have and bought the Akra slip=on ex stock at my local Ducati shop. The mufflers (stock, Akra and QD) all have no baffle plates or restrictions as the collector under the engine and swing arm does all the damage to music and gas flow.

I found another site that published specs for the Decat assembly and it confirms that the decat collector works with standard headers and all mufflers that fit onto a standard V4MS will also fit the Decat collector mid pipe.

Now to find a bargain price with good delivery terms.....be that my disorganized friend at Beenleigh or someone in Italy or the UK that will post to Aus........without any delays caused by the bloody war in Ukraine

....one of these critters..... see below.....should make some music but at what cost?

 

Dave AU, just the muffler as they didn't make the mid box when I purchased it

 

GCT,.....I think I'll have to ride over to Torque Power during the week (assuming he will be open and not sleeping off his overnight internet conversations with Italy), and see what he is up to. If he has one on the shelf I'll be in trouble.....

 

ha,ha

 

Yep, I'm now toooo...... Torque power m/c is listed on google as 'temporarily closed' at it's Windaroo address (no explanation), so I stumbled onto another reference for TPM at 142 Beatty Rd Archerfield address ...... Maybe he's moved from his hard to find little shop? Or maybe someone has bought him out (spotted a business for sale note somewhere)......but it's a public holiday today so the mystery continues and my money is burning a hole in my pocket .

It's all sounds a bit dodgy so I'm rapidly losing interest in spending $2.5k Au on a decat pipe and Rexxer or QD tuner module.......... .....I think I should leave my dosh in the bank and just ride my well running V4MS in stock tune with my fancy Akra slip-on muffler....... even the US and EU QD seller sites are proving difficult to get a price & delivery quote to AUS.........

Must be the new way to do business......make the punter do hours of work for no result.......

At least I know there is an option to the Akra decat that I can use with my Akra slip-on and an upmap that I can install myself....... maybe one day all these 'agents' will sort their out and do something to attract a sale.

 

Sounds like a great plan. Use the money saved for something else.

 

And here is the latest in the saga.......... after running hot and cold on the idea, the Ebay seller updated their delivery list to include AUS (fancy that??)...... then they knocked $50bucks off (to reel me in),...... I had no chance!........ eventually I reasoned that as I had previously chosen to buy the full Akra (accepting that the war in Ukraine caused that to fall through), then this option - the QD Decat mid pipe - was better in that I already have the Akra slip-on, so I wouldn't end up with two spare mufflers.......

The issue with the local agent forced me offshore (luckily) and I found two sellers in Italy, one on Ebay. They had far better pricing than the Aus agent, though freight was $208Au, but in the end the Ebay seller had the best price plus the proven Ebay money back guarantee, so 'dBKiller' won the deal....... I paid $1450Au delivered, and should see my QD Decat by June 7th........

I studied the dyno charts again and it appears that the expensive little QD ECU map module isn't necessary however if I later feel that I want the slightly better mapping below 3k rpm and above 10k rpm then I can pursue either the QD or a Rexxer map module later, but it sure looks like the stock ECU can adapt to the decat design without mods.....

Happy days... (I hope)......

 

So after much postulating and tossing up all the different options I have finally done the Same as DaveAu and chose to hold off on the remap, Geez having 170 ponies on tap is mad enough and don't use them all let alone whackin her to 186+

Found multiple sellers in Europe including going direct to QD, prices including shipping to AU were pretty consistent ranged $1300 - $1400 AUD catch was in the "in stock" and shipping, found OS seller using DHL were usually 5-10 days which is pretty bloody good for us here Downunder.

Here's hoping I'll be fitted up and making music by months end 😁

 

My bike is scheduled for first service and install of the Akra 3/4 system next week. I’ll report back. I cannot WAIT!!!!

 

I had the dealer in Las Vegas Nevada install the full system on my 2021. The improved performance was noticeable and the surging was gone. On the downside I found it a bit too loud for my tastes so I have reinstalled the cat and had a "Y" pipe made to connect the cat's single outlet to the Akra's dual inlet. The Akra can was just too pretty to sell. I've put a 1000 miles on it since and all the benefits of the ECO mapping are still there. My buddy has the full system on his as well (we did it at the same time) and a roll-on finds that he pulls me for the first 100 feet or so and then we are dead even up to a "very high" speed. Fuel consumption is running the same as it was pre-cat which is tenths of a mpg less than the stock mileage was. So, I ended up with the ECO mapping, a pretty can and a relatively stock sounding system. I'm happy

Marc

 

I had the dealer in Las Vegas Nevada install the full system on my 2021. The improved performance was noticeable and the surging was gone. On the downside I found it a bit too loud for my tastes so I have reinstalled the cat and had a "Y" pipe made to connect the cat's single outlet to the Akra's dual inlet. The Akra can was just too pretty to sell. I've put a 1000 miles on it since and all the benefits of the ECO mapping are still there. My buddy has the full system on his as well (we did it at the same time) and a roll-on finds that he pulls me for the first 100 feet or so and then we are dead even up to a "very high" speed. Fuel consumption is running the same as it was pre-cat which is tenths of a mpg less than the stock mileage was. So, I ended up with the ECO mapping, a pretty can and a relatively stock sounding system. I'm happy

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Hi Marc,

Looks like you’ve got a great compromise there. No surging, more power and not noisy.

Did the pipe and chip completely and permanently (so far) cure the surging/stutter issue? That why I would do it.

thanks,

Blair

 

The one downside to this expensive upgrade that someone might want to consider is that the ECO mapping that comes as part of the package and the main attraction in my view, is not contained in any physical form, rather it is downloaded from Ducati by the dealer and tied to your VIN. The obvious downside is you can't take it with you. No moving it to a new bike or including it if you decide to sell the exhaust in the future. Just a heads-up if you're someone who likes to change bikes in the short term. I rarely keep bikes more than a year or two but getting rid of the surging was still worth the price of admission to me.

Marc

 

Definitely an expensive solution as you can’t sell the 3/4 system to recoup costs. If anyone is looking for the slip on only (no modifications necessary!), will be selling mine next week!

 

Keep in mind the other option......the QD decat - it allows the use of the stock muffler and the Akra slippon with the single 52mm tube to the collector box (or a QD stumpy if you want a really short muffler)...... QD do a tuning module that stores the Ducati map when inserting their map, so it can be reinstalled later if needed, but it costs another $650USD for the module (see Bellissimoto advert)...... or Rexxer appears to have a tuning module but I have not confirmed if it is for the V4MS or how much it will cost. The dyno charts appear to show that the decat is ok without fine tuning........ work in progress, order due June 7th they say......

Sometimes what seems like a loud exhaust note to a riders ear (while riding), isn't as loud a few meters away or while riding by someone in uniform (unless you are up near redline). That's what I'm telling myself while waiting for my QD decat mid pipe to arrive, so I hope I'm right .......amazingly, the QD decat was not 'instock' in Italy as claimed when I confirmed my order and paid - the money transfer was quick....kaa-ching, gone in seconds no 'pending payment' delay.

I emailed the seller after a week for a tracking number and they advised the decat pipe is due to be manufactured in a batch that is due by the end of this month.......

Oh well, it wasn't promised before the 7th of June anyway so maybe it will catch a fast plane ride and still make it on time......

What's that? Truth in advertising? Where am I? Oh, it's only a dream....... - in fairness, maybe there were 3 in stock when I ordered, but 3 other customers beat me to the prize...... .......if it all goes belly up again, I'm covered by the Ebay money back guarantee which worked without issue last time. Now if uncle Vlad will just go home and stop playing war and let the world get back to business........oh, dreaming again........

 

I’ve gone ahead and ordered the akrapovic system and download for my bike. Should be here in 3 months. It seems to be the change that has had (so far) complete success in eliminating the surging/stutter, which is my primary motivation for making the change.

Of course, now that I have spent the bucks, Ducati will come out with an update that will fix it. Ha!

I decided to keep the bike oem. That should avoid any potential future warranty issues associated with an aftermarket download. Maybe Ducati doesn’t, but brands like HD can track whether the mapping was modified, even if subsequently removed. And they are denyingengine warranty claims accordingly.

With the akrapovic exhaust power gains seem like they will be minor. I like the deeper sound, the engine might run a little cooler (not so lean) and I dig the weight savings. But I’m really mainly motivated to kill the stutter at 4-6k rpm I experience randomly.

We will see in August….

 

With the akrapovic exhaust power gains seem like they will be minor.

While the max power and torque isn't that great, the overall boost to torque all through the rev range is very noticeable. Much more than I was expecting. Feels almost as strong as my 1200 was.

 

Cheers BCAC,

Maybe ask your Ducati tech to check the toggle switch for faulty ecu signals and/or re-synchro the butterflies.

I suggest this because I've followed Rembo USMC's U-Tube channel since I saw his 'how to remove the oil filter' vid and he has just gone through a bad patch that might be relevant.

He is about 6months ahead of me on his V4 journey so a good source of info.

He had no issues at all until he reached 18k miles, then he had starting problems and other intermittent issues......finally Ducati NA met him at COTA and he watched as the tech recorded poor signals from the toggle switch. He reports his V4 is now perfect once more after a new left switch block and throttle synchro.

I hope the Akra install fixes your V4's stutter, and the underlying issue is resolved in the process.

 

Cheers BCAC,

Maybe ask your Ducati tech to check the toggle switch for faulty ecu signals and/or re-synchro the butterflies.

I suggest this because I've followed Rembo USMC's U-Tube channel since I saw his 'how to remove the oil filter' vid and he has just gone through a bad patch that might be relevant.

He is about 6months ahead of me on his V4 journey so a good source of info.

He had no issues at all until he reached 18k miles, then he had starting problems and other intermittent issues......finally Ducati NA met him at COTA and he watched as the tech recorded poor signals from the toggle switch. He reports his V4 is now perfect once more after a new left switch block and throttle synchro.

I hope the Akra install fixes your V4's stutter, and the underlying issue is resolved in the process.

The bike has been to the shop 3 or 4 times, including a 2 week stint. It isn’t throwing any codes and the stutter/surging is intermittent and also only happens under light throttle application between and isn’t noticeable under acceleration or higher rpm’s. Ducati has been involved and the throttle has been reflashed and a whole bunch of other stuff. And unfortunately, since the intermittent problem wasn’t apart for a couple of hundred miles after the last flash, I’m kinda stuck.

I too like watching Rembo. Just a regular guy and his experience with the bike. I think his problem was stalling and not starting. I’m glad Ducati was able to sort it out.

Ducati sent out a rep to check out my bike during the whole process. They couldn’t find anything. Thank goodness a tech had experienced the stutter while riding the bike or they probably would have figured it was my imagination.

I’ll mention the two suggestions you’ve made. Thanks.

I figure it’s either an issue with the throttle software or with the mapping. It seems to affect few bikes, so I wouldn’t worry about it if I was a prospective buyer.

I’ve seen about 10 different reports of the issue on this forum and another. Of the 5 guys who had the stutter and put on the exhaust system, new map and throttle flash, all had success. Fingers crossed.

In the meantime I’ve got a 3500 mile road trip next month. I’ll just hafta keep the rpm’s high and stay on the gas. Ha!

 

Had my Akrapovic 3/4 system and evo map installed yesterday. The difference in power is noticeable. It’s like the bike has woken up! Sound is deeper and louder, but not obnoxious. Honestly….this is the way the bike should have come from the factory!

 

I’m going to have to travel to Arizona to get my Akrapovic Exhaust upgrade on my PIkes Peak.


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This lean surging that I keep hearing about, are all V4 multi's from all parts of the world affected or just some in some countries (different fuel etc) ??
I thought lean surging was a thing of the past, certainly my standard 1260 does not suffer from it

 

I sometimes have the surging issue on my V4s. I think it has something to to with the exhaust on getting to the EU5 restrictions here in Europe.
Problem is the standard exhaust sounds like crap, upgraded to the slip on Akra, it's a bit better but almost not noticeable.
I am looking in to possible solutions too.
Before the V4s, i owned a 2021 Diavel with termignioni, but the problem is that its for race use only (legislation in Europe), this means it lacks any EU certification). We were stopped by the police (6 motorcycles) and they checked it --> Result we go to court....
So I don't want to have the same troubles with the multi. It needs to be louder. I ride 365k days a year commuting and having to battle 80% congestion. Cars dont hear me and its dangerous. (PS We are allowed to drive through congestion here in Belgium )

At the moment these options are on the table for me :

1) You only live once, get the full akra and hope I don't get pulled over again... Pro's : mapping, surging gone, it finally makes sound Con : illegal for road use , been there done that, bought the t-shirt

2) I get the QD decat and use the slip on akra with certification. Pro's : probably better sound, chances are smaller the police checks the CAT. Con : it needs remapping but the ducati dealer isn't gonna be keen on mapping a non original Ducati software...

3) Go to an exhaust guru, who empties the CAT . Pro's :complete stock look Con's : no idea if there will be errors in the software, and there is no way back

4) I buy the full Akra, and try to take the cover of the slip on Akra (which holds the EU markings) and try to put it on the full akra silencer. Pro's : It will visually be ok for the police. Con's : very expensive , if they catch you you go to court again

Im leaning towards option 4....

 

Just buy the QD decat and no problem. Here in Italy many have this solution without remap and the bike it’s great. Less heat form the engine, increase around 10hp and super sound, no error in dash.

 

Thanks! That is good and helpful information!

You think it also solves the surging?

 

Anyone know where I can find a soundclip of the QD Decat WITH the slip on Akra of Ducati?

 

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Looks like Termi has launched a version for the V4 also.

 

Suuuper skinny.
Not sure I like that look.

 

Probably will have the same sound result as the slip on Akra? If so I prefer the looks of the Akra.
Doesn't say anything about removable DB killers....

 

My dealer let me drive his personal '21 V4S before I bought mine, has the full Akra and the upmap. Sound is fantastic. Too bad its $2500+ (still gonna buy it)

 

 

Here is a video of someone who has put on the Termi on the V4

 

Looks like there is minimum to no change in sound. Stock, akrapovic slip on and this termi. Its all in the CAT box, it seems

 

I recently got a V4S and i decided to go with the Full Akra system. Now in the US its $3300+ install charge if you go tru a Ducati dealer but currently its was out of stock everywhere in the US with no eta on arrival. I managed to find it in Italy for a price of the slip-on in the US. I placed the order and I should get it in 2-3 days. Even If I have to pay import duty tax I still think it will cost much less then the retail price in the US. I’ve used slip-ons before and for the money its not worth it. Sound is slightly deeper but sounds 90% like stock. So besides the cosmetics its just a waste of money imo.


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I recently got a V4S and i decided to go with the Full Akra system. Now in the US its $3300+ install charge if you go tru a Ducati dealer but currently its was out of stock everywhere in the US with no eta on arrival. I managed to find it in Italy for a price of the slip-on in the US. I placed the order and I should get it in 2-3 days. Even If I have to pay import duty tax I still think it will cost much less then the retail price in the US.

Same path that I took. I bought the exhaust last month through OmniaRacing ($2500), paid the import tax ($79.50) and the small shipping fee ($60). Since they are an authorized Ducati dealer, they were able to associate my VIN (which I provided) with the purchase, so my local dealer could install the UpMap.

Waiting almost a month for a service appointment, my exhaust is getting installed today (8/26) along with completing a 600-mile check on my '22 MTS PP, so I'm excited to see the results.