I have not seen any other options. With the crazy cost of the akrapovic I would imagine that other manufacturers will come up with some alternatives.

 

G'day aguita,

3 options...... the QD shortie, the Akra-Ducati slip-on, and the Akra full race system with map.

If nobody has designed a new option yet, you could fit anything if an exhaust shop will make a pipe to connect a muffler to the V4's collector box. QD has shown that the muffler does not need to go up high and long for the side cases to fit. But if you are looking for more music than the stock exhaust, you'll have to de-cat. That's where all the sound is lost as all the mufflers are straight through.....even the stock ugly can.

After I bought my Akra slip-on I realized that I didn't gain $2k worth of extra performance/music, just better quality than stock and I semi-regretted not ordering a full Akra race system from Italy when I spotted a sale on Ebay (new stock for $3500Au)........ the race system comes with an Akra map and has sexy dual pipes on show to the muffler, so it gives higher flow and more of a note than the single pipe slip-on....... it has about 5kw more power and less weight than stock, but it's a lot of cash to splash on an exhaust.......

That said, I'm happy with my expensive and legal Akra slip-on......but I think I would have been more happy with the full system.......

 

Zard now has a slip-on, provides 100gms weight savings, little to no sound change and is still bleeeeedy expensive....

After I bought my Akra slip-on I realized that I didn't gain $2k worth of extra performance/music, just better quality than stock and I semi-regretted not ordering a full Akra race system from Italy when I spotted a sale on Ebay (new stock for $3500Au)........ the race system comes with an Akra map and has sexy dual pipes on show to the muffler, so it gives higher flow and more of a note than the single pipe slip-on....... it has about 5kw more power and less weight than stock, but it's a lot of cash to splash on an exhaust.......

You are absolutely right, that the full systems makes more sense than the slip-on at those prices but even the full system is technically just a de-cat and diff end can, the headers are stock in all options.... which makes me wonder why they are charging so much. But having said that, the remap and the Diff it makes on the bike is fantastic, I've ridden one and leaves you wanting it.

 

Wow, nice looking can (Zard)...... 900+ euro...... about as cheap as the Akra......... but anything in Titanium is not cheap!

 

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The stock exhaust is a nice option.

 

I saw on a thread last week someone said Termi was bringing something to market but I think that's an, err, pipedream. Try the veal. I'll be here all week.

 

I went for the full Akra system including the updated Ducati map that goes with it. The biggest plus is the software. All the surging is gone even when cold. The bike just runs so much better. The mileage improved by a couple of MPG as well. It is a bit loud for my tastes but I wear earplugs so no problem. Even though they claim it only picks up a few ponies it definitely feels a lot stronger particularly in the upper range. I'm in SoCal where it is illegal for the dealer to sell it so I went to Las Vegas with a friend of mine and we got the last two kits he had. He told us that Ducati will not sell him any additional kits due to the cross-pollination into SoCal so we were his last customers. It was expensive but worth it to me.

Marc

 

Interesting comment of yours about “All surging is gone”. My V4S has an intermittent significant stutter/surging/lurching issue around 4-6k rpm that Ducati/dealer has not been able to resolve.


Did you have the same issue? I would spend the $3k in a heartbeat, if it would fix the problem….

 

Yes! That’s why I mainly did it. The surging at low to medium throttle drove me nuts not to mention the miserable fueling when cold. It runs perfectly now regardless of load, rpm or engine temperature.

Marc

 

Has anyone tried the Decat systems yet? Does it sound better with standard or Akrapovic slip on. Also I presume requires a different fuel map?


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Has anyone tried the Decat systems yet? Does it sound better with standard or Akrapovic slip on. Also I presume requires a different fuel map?

I guess I'll know in a few short weeks......... ......... I argued with my inner accountant for days, but the planets lined up (and the new battery I fitted to my laptop fixed my issues) and I've now blown my budget out of the solar system .

I checked my local dealer who said they would have to back order the item as there was nil stock at Ducati Aus....... and since they were 'made to order' I'd likely be waiting 6 months given the current backlog with shipping.

They quoted $4,900...... .

However, I was already watching an Ebay supplier called "Omnia Racing" (in Italy) who had them listed in several deals and freight options (express post $190 or normal post $80) ....... I chose the $3,440Au plus $190 express post to hopefully get it around 14 March instead of late May.

So I saved $1200Au and 5 months waiting time by ordering direct from Italy. (At least that's what I keep justifying the purchase of another exhaust pipe for this red tart ).

The EVO mapping upgrade is available (according to Omnia Racing) if I quote my VIN in the order comments - enabling me to visit my local Ducati dealership and get the download installed after I fit the system - which apparently runs ok without the download....... I will know in a months time, but will be going for the upmap asap anyway........ I want the extra Hp & torque as well as more mpg........greedy I am...... .

Here's a pretty good video off U-tube.....it's a UK Ducati dealer fitting one to a V4 Sport MS.......

Maybe someone might buy my unmarked Akra slipon sometime down the track... that would lessen the purchase pain somewhat but I tell myself it's a good insurance spare to justify shelving a $2k muffler after only 9months use........

 

G'day Jono,

I've got the Akra slip-on and it requires no mapping. There is no map for it anyway, so the ecu adjusts itself to the muffler. It is still road compliant but does flow better than the stock ugly muff.....

I've been looking into the decat Akra "full' system, which uses the stock headers but decats and has twin pipes into the same Akra muffler used in the slip-on......all U-Tube videos say it has a deeper growl than stock (and slip-on), and is slightly louder but not like a Termi decat on a 1260. I'm perplexed by the different pricing and mapping claims.

Brisbane Ducati advertise a 'full' Akra for nearly $5k Au and state in the details that an Akra map comes with the system.....yet Omni Racing in Italy offer the same 'full' Akra for $3.6k Au delivered to Aus and state on their site that it requires no change to the mapping, though they recommend dyno tuning for the best performance (I assume that means racing).

So it"s confusing but I assume if you pay $5k through a Ducati dealer you get a map downloaded through their network, or if you buy from the racing specialists you just get the pipe.......in any case the decat does not require re-mapping because the ecu will adjust, but obviously if you want perfection then it's off to the dyno.

I wish I had spent the extra for the 'full' Akra (even though it's only collector box and muffler with twin in-pipes), but my slip-on Akra is better than the stock tin can my V4S came with. Not sure if it is $2k better, but it does look good.......


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I have started looking into going Decat. So at present I have the factory single inlet Akra (not full twin system) and I'm not a fan of the Mega $$$$ price tag on them, so have started looking at what aftermarkets are available or coming out soon.

So far QD seems the only other readily available Decat and seems to be a single outlet pipe system. One addvert for them I looked at indicated you can use the original factory cans either Akra or std. Has anybody done this yet?

Also curious is the factory single inlet Akra internally the same as the "race" twin inlet can? or will it at least give similar performance and sound?

 

@ShizN'Giggz - Good questions, very interested in the answers. I will be following this closely. From what I can gather so far -

1. Akra Slip on - Single inlet, will work with standard Cat or QD design de-cat
2. Akra full system - double inlet, will only work with the Akra de-cat
3. QD Slip on - single inlet, will work with standard Cat or QD design de-cat. Also, has removable Db killers
4. Zard Slip on - will work with standard Cat, will it work with QD design de-cat?? Does it have removable Db killers?

We also don't know if the performance of the single inlet Akra is similar to the full system double inlet Akra. Not sure who can tell us.....

 

Lost track, the Akra full system also gets you access to the Ducati remap!!

 

The Akra full system also has removable baffles/DB killers. One other thing to consider if you do take the multi off-road you will lose some ground clearance with the full system. Had I known that before I bought it I would have skipped it. The biggest change was how much smoother the bike was in regards to fueling and the upmap. No more random surging while cruising. The extra power and nicer note is also very nice. The dual pipe design takes away a little bit of room from the right foot area. Getting that upmap installed was a huge PITA btw. Had to trailer the bike in to the dealer with it track ready. They took pictures of it as I arrived, while they worked on it, and when I left as well as making me sign a waiver. I have actually seen V4 multis on cycletrader with the exhaust but not the upmap. They probably gave up trying to get the dealer to do it. If you want to know if the upmap is installed check the screen when the bike is on. It should show EVO under the modes. For example Touring EVO and Sport EVO.

 

Why wouldnt the dealer do the upmap when it is provided with the exhaust? Was the exhaust bought outside of the dealer?

 

Typical Stealership issues then....

 

Is the Akra full system classified as non-road use only?

 

Oh well, too late for me now, money paid.....but system not despatched yet..... . I was looking for better fuel economy and a better sound without being really noisy...... but laws are laws, I know.

I might be lucky but if I run into a brick wall when my full system turns up, I'll just use the baffles/dB killers and let the stock ecu do it's thing.....(worked ok with the KTM1290's when decatted)...

So that's probably why my dealer's parts people were talking the full system down by saying nil stock, 6 months backorder, made to order only, high price etc etc..... big crackdown from Ducati Aus I assume,....... I don't want to present a track ready bike on a trailer just for photo's just to pass their legal scrutineering test, then reassemble, so, since I made my decision before reading about these drama's (and they were in the back of my mind anyway), I'll just have to be happy with the sound and hope it works well enough with out the map.........

It also occurred to me that maybe the EVO map deletes some road functions like traffic indicators, cornering lights, road settings etc etc, since they are not used on race tracks........ hopefully I get my $3.4k value out of the mod without the upmap ......

It sucks that the marketing press launch bikes on U-tube had these full systems installed and retained their road lighting (traffic signals, brake lights etc) ....... so it's ok for Ducati to use the full Akra's to market their bikes on public roads, but it's not ok for customers to do the same after seeing how great they look and sound and go..... .

So now I play the waiting game.......

 

Oh well, too late for me now, money paid....

Could always try a dyno tune if you can't get the Upmap

 

Cheers mate...... Ahhh, that's the guy I got the quote from for the QD slipon (which fell through as all stock was going to America). Good to know he does a good job and the Rexer might be the way out for me if Ducati has clamped down on their dealers here in Aus. I'll see how the full Akra goes with the stock ecu first, then quietly try for the Ducati map, and if battered and bruised by official-dom, I'll ask Torque power. The big question is whether the E5 ecu's can be accessed as I've read they are not as easy to unlock as earlier ecu's........ I guess I'll know soon enough.

I was thinking maybe the legislative noose has become so tight that I might have left my rebellious decat run too late.

Thanks for reminding me.....that has pepped me up.......now where's my bloody zorst?......still not posted?......big ride coming up in May so I'm keen to get it installed and sorted in April .

 

Be great to hear it when you get it [emoji106][emoji3]


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Thanks Jono, for sure you'll hear me coming... or going, ....on a club ride soon.

I had a reply from Italy reiterating that since I quoted my Vin, I"ll be able to have the EVO map downloaded by an authorised tech. No mention of express post tracking # yet.

I'm relieved to read the upmap just changes the fuel and ignition maps.

EBay order page still quotes due 14April, if that's realistic...but the progress bar hasn't moved from 'paid' to 'sent' yet....prob a glitch with express post feedback...,.. least I hope so..... ....although there could be delays due to COVID issues.

So I've gotten over my initial 'I should'a known better' fright and I can't wait to install it

 

Ahem....... BAD NEWS CALLING............

Let me explain

I ordered a full Akra system and paid $3630Au for it on the 23rd March, with express postage from Italy initially due for delivery by 4 April, but with covid delays I was to allow some extra time......ok........but then it became due 14April and was never updated to "sent". I respectfully waited until after the Easter long weekend before enquiring about tracking details and was shocked but not surprised by the response from the seller (I watch the world news too).

'The war in Ukraine has caused delays in production'.......... but the item was advertised as 'in stock' and I chose the more expensive express postage option as I didn't want to wait 2 months or more for normal delivery........so the seller has been silent for almost a month, hoping I wouldn't notice and demand my money back .........also the Ebay guarantee is looking very weak, as their offer of a refund will only apply after Wednesday 27th, after I try to get a satisfactory result from the seller first.....and then it's only a 'we can help', not the implied refund upon failed delivery promise.

SO, BUYER BEWARE.......the war in Ukraine is a fact and it looks like it will disrupt life in many ways for months and years to come, but I am disgusted with this sellers underhand way of hiding from reality and not offering me the option to cancel and refund the order like another supplier in Bulgaria has already done on their own initiative (they emailed saying their postage had ballooned out to 55days and offered me the choice to cancel with full refund).

I have asked to cancel my order and requested a full refund, so Ebay is on trial here just as much as the seller..........

Anyone who has ordered one of these systems from Italy in recent months will be in the same position - don't wait for the due date to pass, check for tracking details asap, but I think you'll find the exhaust was never in 'stock' as advertised and therefore hasn't been sent.......and due to the raging war, probably won't be sent anytime soon, if ever .

Damned Puttin......his bombs are affecting everyone...... they are affecting the Ukraine people in a much more devastating way....... I hope those hero's push him back into his cave, but time is running out for them and the problem won't go away into the future.

 

Ahem....... BAD NEWS CALLING............

Let me explain

I ordered a full Akra system and paid $3630Au for it on the 23rd March, with express postage from Italy initially due for delivery by 4 April, but with covid delays I was to allow some extra time......ok........but then it became due 14April and was never updated to "sent". I respectfully waited until after the Easter long weekend before enquiring about tracking details and was shocked but not surprised by the response from the seller (I watch the world news too).

'The war in Ukraine has caused delays in production'.......... but the item was advertised as 'in stock' and I chose the more expensive express postage option as I didn't want to wait 2 months or more for normal delivery........so the seller has been silent for almost a month, hoping I wouldn't notice and demand my money back .........also the Ebay guarantee is looking very weak, as their offer of a refund will only apply after Wednesday 27th, after I try to get a satisfactory result from the seller first.....and then it's only a 'we can help', not the implied refund upon failed delivery promise.

SO, BUYER BEWARE.......the war in Ukraine is a fact and it looks like it will disrupt life in many ways for months and years to come, but I am disgusted with this sellers underhand way of hiding from reality and not offering me the option to cancel and refund the order like another supplier in Bulgaria has already done on their own initiative (they emailed saying their postage had ballooned out to 55days and offered me the choice to cancel with full refund).

I have asked to cancel my order and requested a full refund, so Ebay is on trial here just as much as the seller..........

Anyone who has ordered one of these systems from Italy in recent months will be in the same position - don't wait for the due date to pass, check for tracking details asap, but I think you'll find the exhaust was never in 'stock' as advertised and therefore hasn't been sent.......and due to the raging war, probably won't be sent anytime soon, if ever .

Damned Puttin......his bombs are affecting everyone...... they are affecting the Ukraine people in a much more devastating way....... I hope those hero's push him back into his cave, but time is running out for them and the problem won't go away into the future.

Ugh sorry to hear this! Makes me glad I made the decision yesterday to pull the trigger on one from my dealer (in stock and took advantage of a tax free sale!). Will be installed May 20th with the upmap at my first service as they are REALLY backed up right now.

 

Well that was a pleasant surprise .......email response from eBay says money has been refunded, payment to come through in 3-4 days after the banks have a good feel with it on the way through........

I'm very relieved.

Seller advised that the Akra full system will again be available from 15June.......nice to know some facts.

Oh well, I've had the Akra slippon in place for 9months and am happy with it, so I'll survive .

 

I'm considering getting a QD Decat, does anyone have any experience with them they could share?

An add I found for them states you can use the stock single pipe inlet can's - has anybody done this and does just going decat only improve the sound out of the standard or Akra cans?

I have the factory Akra slip on, I'm not chasing performance, I'm finding the factory 170 ponies is plenty for my riding, would just like a bit more volume and improved music, although I may look into a Rexxer remap at a later date. I quite like the look of the Akra compared to the rather stumpy QD gunshot and yet to learn of other options.

 

I just googled QD Decat and looked at the Bellissimoto (Las Vegas) site ...... they have several dyno charts showing good improvement over stock with their QD map unit ..... even with the dB killer installed they got better mid range than stock......I didn't see if they were calling the Akra Slip-on 'stock', or the Ugly-can base model 'stock'...... either way, it looks promising, but will likely need the $650USD map module added to the $1039USD Decat mid pipe to get those results......just like with the Akra 'full' system .....and they claim up to 16hp increase.

I'd check local agent stock first, although these are supposed to be made in Italy, not the Ukraine, so maybe a direct order is not as risky if their price and delivery is lots better.

It looks like it might give a similar type of result to the Akra full system in that it goes into a collector box then out via your Akra Ducati slipon......so it might be fruity but not ear splitting.....maybe.......



PS..... I just measured the original stock ugly can I replaced with the Akra slip-on.....and it has an ID of 50mm to the collector box. On the Bellissimoto site the details state the Decat has 50mm tubes going in, but a 60mm tube going out to the muffler.

I just realised that's what Shizzer was asking.....eg will a Ducati-Akra official parts slippon muffler fit onto a QD decat collector.....and it looks like it won't if the Bellissimoto details are correct....

 

I have a QD fitted to my Multi, I took the baffle out when I fitted it. It really isn't much lighter than the original can. Also really if I knew now , I probably would not of purchased it , as most of the muffling is in the exhaust/cat box underneath.

 

Thanks for your reply GCT, It leads to pretty much what I thought I had read amongst the multitude of googling different posts etc... The Cat does most of the baffling, hence my curiosity of what just going decat only will sound like ???

And thanks DaveAU for the very valuable info on the pipe sizes which indicate std can's may not work 60mm vs 50mm. I too found the same dyno tests showing all combo's of decat and both QD and std can's ... something is not adding up with fitment here, I checked the add I found again and it definitely states "all silencers that mount on the original cat" that is both factory Std and Akra slip on's - the add I found and Bellissimo use the same part number ADUC0600005. Looking closely at the pic the outlet pipe does appear the final slip joint piece does step down in size so maybe it does work together ??

 

Well spotted Shizz..... It does look like the 60mm exit pipe steps down to the stock Ducati size......

That's a relief, and it makes sense, otherwise all the QD mufflers wouldn't fit.

So I could still make some music using my Akra slip-on ...... .

Today has been all good news...for a change!

 

Not sure if any of you are considering the Akra 3/4 system….but we just had a significant price increase on it in Canada (went from $3680 to $3975!!!!).