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Robbie's Turbo hyper 1100s project

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#1 ·
Hi everyone, my first contribution to this forum...
I am no stranger to fabrication or to doing things that don't make sense :D

I bought this 08 hyper 1100s with the motor torn down(cylinders in a box). The previous owner owned it since new and put 38k miles on it before a tbelt tensioner roller seized and snapped a belt, sending a piston into the valves. I picked it up cheap and put it back together with about 1k bucks worth of parts.

I did a few things to it over the next months, a lot of which I'm sure most people will disagree(I don't care).

Did a cat delete, custom fitted a yoshimura pipe, Uni pod filters and a c2d desmo tail.

Recently I decided to sell the bike for a triumph speed triple 1050...after receiving nothing but low ball offers and people telling me my 43k mile bike is only worth 4k dollars i decided to keep it and do somthing fun with it... Hence the turbo.

I'll let pictures tell the rest. It is not done yet, I'm waiting on charge pipe(2" aluminum) and scavenging pump for turbo oil return.

Estimated finish time is about two weeks from now, should be on the dyno for a tune next weekend. Hoping for atleast 110whp out of 6psi.

And for anyone that's asks why or tells me it's not the right way to mod a hyper, kiss my ass :D
 

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#5 ·
Pretty pair of Ducs! I'm subscribed for the build and progression pics.

How did you lower compression? Stack o' gaskets? And how low did you go? 8:1 or 9:1? I know the 2v aircooled, 1st gens were lower in compression and "overbuilt" for street use @ 10.3-5:1 standard compression so just curious if you had to really lower it much to account for the mild increase in boost.

Did you reinforce any of the internals to compensate for the added stress or did anything need "sleeving" or coating/rebuilding from the initial belt failure?

What about the valves and valve guides? How did they fair from the damage and did you upgrade with lighter or sodium filled? Upgrade the guides in the head as a known "soft" spot on the 2V air cooled lumps?

Are you going to ceramic coat or heat wrap the headers/exhaust to keep the temps down? I'm guessing some very interesting "night" lights if throttle happy around town in the evening hours...

Please fill us in; inquiring minds want to know! Great project; you must be a glutton for any or all of the following:

  • Wheelies
  • Replacing rear tires
  • Preserving front tires
  • Speed
  • Blow-off valve whistling
  • Tractor pulls
  • Hot chicks/dudes asking if they can "sit" on your...
  • Ducati.ms fans (me included)

:thumbup !
 
#6 ·
Pretty pair of Ducs! I'm subscribed for the build and progression pics.

How did you lower compression? Stack o' gaskets? And how low did you go? 8:1 or 9:1? I know the 2v aircooled, 1st gens were lower in compression and "overbuilt" for street use @ 10.3-5:1 standard compression so just curious if you had to really lower it much to account for the mild increase in boost.
Stock compression, tuning will compensate for the addition of boost with the stock static compression ratio. Basically less aggressive ignition timing in the boost areas. I and many people i know have had good luck with forced induction on 10:1+ motors, it just means you have less headroom for detonation and you have to keep an eye on the heads lifting, but with low boost at 6-8psi I don't foresee any issues.

Did you reinforce any of the internals to compensate for the added stress or did anything need "sleeving" or coating/rebuilding from the initial belt failure?
I replaced the one damaged head with a good condition used one and both cylinders and pistons with a good condition matching used set. The motor is completely stock internally.

What about the valves and valve guides? How did they fair from the damage and did you upgrade with lighter or sodium filled? Upgrade the guides in the head as a known "soft" spot on the 2V air cooled lumps?
Like i said, all stock. Structural integrity of the guides wont be affected by the addition of boost.

Are you going to ceramic coat or heat wrap the headers/exhaust to keep the temps down? I'm guessing some very interesting "night" lights if throttle happy around town in the evening hours...
The exhaust will be wrapped in DEI titanium exhaust wrap

Please fill us in; inquiring minds want to know! Great project; you must be a glutton for any or all of the following:

  • Wheelies
  • Replacing rear tires
  • Preserving front tires
  • Speed
  • Blow-off valve whistling
  • Tractor pulls
  • Hot chicks/dudes asking if they can "sit" on your...
  • Ducati.ms fans (me included)
I am a fan of all of the above :D
:thumbup !
I will have some big updates later this week when i expect to have the charge piping and scavenge pump.

Things to do
-mount scavenge pump and connect oil lines
-weld inlet pipe onto intake plenum
-route and weld up charge piping
-make spacer for fuel injector inlet
-install power commander V when it arrives back from warrenty(brand new was dead on arrival:mad:)
-Dyno tune by Nels at 2wheelDynoWorks (he will be tuning the factory ecu in conjunction with the PowerCommander V)
 
#12 · (Edited)
Thanks for all the awesome words guys, to be honest I didn't expect it from a ducati forum... But then again us hyper owners seem to be the bastard child's of the ducati family :D

My oil scavenge pump arrived today!
This is used to pump the oil out of the turbo back to he crankcase. Normally a turbo is mounted above the sump level and gravity drains but I am forced to use a pump due to the location of the turbo.

Got it all mounted tonight and finished the lines, just need two more fitting a tommorow and wait for my banjo fitting to arrive that will allow me to tee into the oil cooler line for the turbo feed.

Tons of room under the tank with the stock airbox gone, now i see how they can make the 6+gal tank fit. Not an option for me anymore!

Really need the aluminium pipe to arrive!

One major advantage of using a scavenging pump is...wheelies without affecting the way the turbos oil drains! This pump is supposed to work in any position other than with the pump invertered, above the motor. i positioned the pump so that even on the steepest of wheelies the pump will still be in an optimum position.
Did i mention that i love wheelies :D on that note, im hoping with the extra power ill be able to clutch this pig up in 4th ;)
 

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#13 · (Edited)
Today was a good day!

I finished up everything i could a couple days ago and i was waiting on two oil fittings before i could finish the bike. The tracking number said they were still a couple days away, but guess what arrived this morning!

So i wrapped up everything, intake plenum, oil lines, wiring for the scavenge pump, welded two o2 bungs in for the tuner to watch individual cylinders, wrapped the exhaust, etc...

This afternoon was the final moment of truth, i fired it up and waited for oil to come out of the drain into a pan...about 30 seconds of running and it starts coming out, what a relief! Hooked the drain line back up to the sump and let it come up to temperature. Lots of smoke from the fresh exhaust heat wrap but that cleared up after 10 minutes of idle. Gave it a good few revs and too my surprise not a bit of smoke out the turbo!

Next was to ride it, with the wastegate pinned open of course so i build no boost. I have the stock injectors installed until i can get it on the dyno next Sunday. I put 25 miles on it today, stopping about every 10 minutes and looking for leaks or any other signs of issues. Kept a close eye on the exhaust and purposely trying to get it to smoke... Not even a bit!:D

I kept a real close eye on engine temps the whole time i was riding, if anything was gonna go wrong it was gonna be the bike over heating. Air cooled motor that uses only oil as cooling, and I'm adding a turbo that is using the same oil, that's alot of additional heat I'm adding. But to my surprise again, temps looked perfectly normal the whole time! But that's not too say what will happen when it starts getting some boost thrown at it, but we will have to find out about that.

I got home and decided if i didn't make a video i would have all you guys sitting on the edge of your seat :p So here is a few pictures and a video of it running.(excuse the messy garage)

Before the dyno next sunday i have to:
Change oil
adjust valve shims
lube chain
lots of cleaning!

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Turbo Ducati Hypermotard 1100S
 
#17 ·
I ditched the powercommander idea, not being able to tune ignition timing was too risky. I bought microsquirt v3 standalone and installed it and had it running the next day. She goes on the dyno today!

http://youtu.be/2gHWhYKlPlU
 

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#19 ·
Started getting things dialed in and then I lost a coil driver and had to call it a day before we could get into boost tuning. I have to wait for a couple weekends before it can go back on the dyno, I will take that time to finalise everything now that I know it all works.

I don't have a dyno graphs so you will have to take my word for it but....105whp@0psi :)
 
#20 ·
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I don't have a dyno graphs so you will have to take my word for it but....105whp@0psi :)

What the heck?!?! That's some serious WHP with ZERO boost. How are you achieving that number? Not being a Debbie Downer or Doubting Thomas etc.; I'm just curious if I missed something. Did you port/polish and add cams? Was the displacement increased when you reworked the engine?

I'm not unhappy with how my hypemo' pulls my arms outta their sockets but I'm definitely curious what else has been done as it seems tangible with little mods.

Oh, before I forget, hurry up and update this post with dyno runs after boost ;)

Blu'
 
#21 ·
The 9th should be when it goes on the dyno for boost.

Although it was not making any positive pressure it was still forcing more air into the motor than the motor would originally "suck" in. With my wastegate set slightly loose it would allow the turbo to spool enough to force more air in the motor but not enough to create positive pressure.
 
#22 ·
If the compressor side of the turbo is plumbed into the intake you'll still be generating boost and forcing more air than 0psi, This would be the case even with the wastegate open.

Exciting none the less - with adequate fueling 110whp will be an easy target...maybe a small intercooler too :)

With the additional load on the oil an upgrade of the oil cooler might be an idea too, an oil cooler off the evo engine would be an easy and cheap upgrade.

I'm certainly looking forward to one...need updates!
 
#23 ·
Just because the compressor is all plumbed to the intake does not mean I will make more than 0psi, it doesn't take much for a turbo to come out of vacuum and create atmosphere pressure in the manifold, but it does take quite a bit for it to over come that point and create positive pressure. The bike literally makes no more than 0psi right now, but is still forcing more air in the motor than a naturally aspirated engine.
I expect around 150whp at 8psi.

Intercooler is in the works.

Oil temps are normal so far, I will see after I start getting into boost if I need to do something about that.
 
#24 ·
I am currently talking to a friend with a custom speed shop who builds in house turbo setups about turboing my '06 sport1000. I need to know what you did for fueling, pressure and volume, mapping, what ECU your using and o2s? How big injectors, where from? In love your ideas here and am going to make this happen. Any specifics you can provide would be great. Keep the updates coming!!
:D
 
#27 ·
Have you experienced temp issues?
Does the microsquirt require a software from autotune to map?
Did you lower your compression? How?
Was your fuel pump sufficient, and did you add any type of regulator to increase/maintain rail pressure against demand?
Hope you don't mind giving tips, you are the only source I've been able to get responses from. Did you do a baseline dyno before the turbo was installed?
 
#29 ·
Engine temps seems to be normal, maybe slightly higher, the hottest I saw was 212 on an 80f day.

The engine is completely stock, compression remains at 10.5:1.

Microsquirt is a complete standalone ems and required setting up config settings and tables from scratch.

Stock fuel system with the exception of Bosch ev14 750cc injectors which dropped right in with the use of a spacer for the fuel rail due to the injector being slightly taller.

I did not baseline dyno the bike.
 
#30 ·
Small update, I've been meaning to get it back on the dyno and show some real numbers!

Painted the intercooler and the tail fairing and rear subframe. I will be powder coating it all shortly, the paint won't hold up that well to the rock chips.

Boost is up to 8.5psi right now and I recon about 130whp. It stands up in 4th gear on hard acceleration when boost peaks at about 6k.

It is an absolute blast to ride now, the tune is dialed, power is real
Smooth and controllable. It's just a whole different bike with this kind of power!
 

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#32 ·
What is really amazing here is I have not seen the Aw..... word used at all.... Nice sleeper, no way I would notice the turbo. How does the power come on. In a rush or a bit more manageable. Is that an IHI turbo?
 
#33 ·
When it reaches peak boost around 6k it pulls very hard, enough to make the front come up in 1-4 and be very light in 5th, 6th gear pulls slip the clutch now, its time for some new plates and discs.
But even under 6k when it just barely starts to make boost it is very smooth but still much more power than the bike ever had with a cat delete, slip on and pod filters. I think anyone that rides this bike would say that it is very ridable. Most people seem to think its just useless in the corners now, thats not the case at all, with throttle control you can ride it very smooth through the corners and really pull through nicely with the extra power, just have to recognize the fact that if you let it wind up it will want to come up on you.

The turbo is a mitsubishi td04 15g, stock from a volvo 850 turbo.
 
#34 ·
Just realized I never posted when I built the intercooler.

I picked up a side mount intercooler from a 2000 Audi A4 1.8t. I removed the plastic end takes and ended up with just the core. I then cut it in half and made my own end tanks and redid all the boost pipes, much better now.

I also blocked off the cbv on the turbo and add a blow off valve on the intake plenum to increase my ground clearance.
 

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