Why did you choose Ducati over MV Agusta?
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Having not ridden an F4, I can only guess. I rode the Brutale and it was so mild-mannered, almost too refined ( like a Honda). Sure, it revved up and scooted. But didn’t impress me with thrust, like the 1098. Plus, while riding the Brutale, all I could think about was how bad the seat was. It’s tilted up in the rear and makes you slide forward. The 1098 wasn’t comfy at all, but at least I sat “on it”.
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I didn’t mention any of the other bikes in the range as this I’d a superbike thread and he was asking about the F4 and I don’t consider the Brutale a superbike. I’d put it in the Monster class of bikes. On saying that, the Brutale is a brilliant bike but again, like so many new bikes, isn’t owner/mechanic friendly. I owned the first model F4 and got rid of I because it was to tall for me and felt it to be to top heavy. Same as last years RC. But to each their own.
I have both a 916 and an F4. I have always been a twins guy and this became more apparent when I got the F4. I bought it a few years after seeing the 750 in Guggenheim show and, after all, it is Tamburini design. But it was a purchase based on lust and not forethought and the bike is just plain hard to ride, uncomfortable and has horrible brakes. It's also a pig to work on.
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These comments are so interesting. To learn what others have experienced is very appreciated. YouTube- ing reviews on these bikes doesn’t garner the same results. I have sat on an F4, and it does feel small. The CBR1000rr feels even smaller to me. The 1098 didn’t really feel that small (I’m 5’10” with a 32” inseam). To be honest, the V4 Panagale felt really good. This next bike won’t be a daily ride. I have other bikes for that. I just want something special, fast, and scary...
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Just leaves more for me
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It sounds like you are leaning toward twins. I don’t own or have ridden a F4,. Currently own MV Dragster 800RR and Panigale 1199 sport bike. While I love the F4 looks and it is a special bike. I’ve lusted for them for years. It is older tech and not fastest or scariest bike out there now.
My personal opinion for something that meets all 3 of your criteria and leaning towards a twin. The Panigale V4 S or R would be my choice. The latest tech, special if you get R and scary at 225+ HP. If you want something scary maybe the H2R?
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The jap bikes don’t really interest me. The Pani V4 would be a fine choice indeed. It just doesn’t seem right to spend that kinda cash on something I wouldn’t be riding that often. Here in N. Illinois, we enjoy cruising. I do live in the middle of nowhere and about 70 minutes away lies Blackhawk Farms race track. Which means, when I jump on this next bike, I’ll be riding solo. Either to shed the rigors of a rough day, or trailer it to a rare track day. That’s why the F4 is on my list. It’ll be mostly looked at (LOL). Yes, the Ducati is more tempting due to the torque. And, being a professional mechanic, it’s likely I’ll be the only one wrenching on it. There’s a certain mechanical -music they emit that makes me smile. Kinda similar to my two mid-sixty GTOs.
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I agree V4 is allot cash for show piece. The F4’s are beautiful my favorite is 2005 red/silver and reasonable for bike that will looked at allot?. The 4 pipe exhaust is awesome. There is nothing like that sound. I think that generation (2005-2007) are the ones that had some issues with heat and difficult to work on. I think gen2 (2010+) where sorted out. That might be ones to look at. If you decide to go that route there is a mv forum that is helpful for questions or support ( mvAgusta.net)
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The Ducati 1098 is just plain sexy, it's purposeful and has a presence that can't be denied, i love mine. Whether you will or not i don't know, what i do know is if you haven't ridden one you must before you buy, because as good as they look and sound, the way they ride is ultimately why i have one (three actually, but hey...)
The MV looks stunning, yes, but to me it's a trinket, like the Bimota, pretty, fragile and expensive to fix, as well as that it's not a twin, ride a GSX-R1000, that's what they're like to ride, chalk and cheese compared to the 1098, and that's what should matter the most.
I know people who can't get along with the Ducati, the grumbly lumpy engine, noisy clutch, engine braking etc. so definitely try one, i myself can't deal with the polished turbine almost boring feel of an inline 4, which i'm reminded of everytime i ride my CBR track bike, but that serves a very specific purpose and it's so cheap i can make allowances....
The MV looks stunning, yes, but to me it's a trinket, like the Bimota, pretty, fragile and expensive to fix, as well as that it's not a twin, ride a GSX-R1000, that's what they're like to ride, chalk and cheese compared to the 1098, and that's what should matter the most.
I know people who can't get along with the Ducati, the grumbly lumpy engine, noisy clutch, engine braking etc. so definitely try one, i myself can't deal with the polished turbine almost boring feel of an inline 4, which i'm reminded of everytime i ride my CBR track bike, but that serves a very specific purpose and it's so cheap i can make allowances....
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I go on that forum all the time. I know how they feel about their favorite bike. This forum is larger and I thought it would be more interesting to discuss this here. Deep down inside, I wouldn’t regret opening the shop door and seeing this sitting there...
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I have a stock DB2 with not many miles on it. It has a standard 90's two valve 900ss engine with, of all things, the original Mikuni BDST38 CV carbs that Ducait had on all those bikes in the day. Not really a Hi-Perf set up so it's not that fast, but what really sets it apart is its weight. It feels like a giant potato chip on wheels when you roll it around in the garage. Brakes are great and comfort is reasonable for what it is. Bike is replete with exquisitely machined aluminum parts and trellis framing. As long as your parts need is limited to engine and maintenance stuff like tires and oil, it's a nice bike to live with and ride. Need parts beyond that, and you're in trouble fast.
Impossible to find, but if I had my choice, I would get the half fairing model vs the full like mine.
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Let me start by saying I do not like 4 cylinder bikes. no not because they are bad or anything quite the opposite often they were too good and everyone had them, that killed them for me. One 4-cylinder I would own is a Mv Agusta, I would like a 750 because it was designed by the last real designer of motorcycles. Taking one apart is as easy or easier than a 916 which is the high point of mechanic friendliness and to say they do not look bad is an understatement.
The 750 is long in the tooth power wise so a nice 312R fits the power bill just right and if pushed a corta corsa (sp)might be okay as well. I have worked on and ridden both and while i do not think they would make good track bikes they would make great street bikes. Years ago a customer had a 312R and another had a Bmw 1000RR riding both the bmw was boring unless you were over 100mph and over 10,000 rpm. The 312R by contrast was scary and visceral to ride at lower speeds, you felt its speed and the power hit hard. The Bmw was the woman you marry because she will be there at all times , the Mv is the hooker /supermodel that steals your wallet at the end of the night.
Most Mv owners buy them as rideable art, they are not wrong but they often do not ride them much. This means there are few buyers for the few Mvs out there and re-selling can be tough, I know some shops will not take them in trade as they sit too long. Parts availability is the biggest issue more so than price as a MV head gasket for the Corsa corta was only about $60 where a 1098 head gasket is about $200 and you have two of them. simple fact is you may never find a part for the bike at some point and a older generation will be even more difficult.
The 750 is long in the tooth power wise so a nice 312R fits the power bill just right and if pushed a corta corsa (sp)might be okay as well. I have worked on and ridden both and while i do not think they would make good track bikes they would make great street bikes. Years ago a customer had a 312R and another had a Bmw 1000RR riding both the bmw was boring unless you were over 100mph and over 10,000 rpm. The 312R by contrast was scary and visceral to ride at lower speeds, you felt its speed and the power hit hard. The Bmw was the woman you marry because she will be there at all times , the Mv is the hooker /supermodel that steals your wallet at the end of the night.
Most Mv owners buy them as rideable art, they are not wrong but they often do not ride them much. This means there are few buyers for the few Mvs out there and re-selling can be tough, I know some shops will not take them in trade as they sit too long. Parts availability is the biggest issue more so than price as a MV head gasket for the Corsa corta was only about $60 where a 1098 head gasket is about $200 and you have two of them. simple fact is you may never find a part for the bike at some point and a older generation will be even more difficult.
Oh my lord. NEVER s bimota. When you start to work on them and see the “quality” of fit and finish you’ll run for the hill. And when they go broke for the eighth time.........
Afternoon ducvet. Even though the first incarnation of the mv was a Tamburini design it lacked a lot of what made the 916 and it wasn’t a patch one the 916 when it came to work on. The denso alternator was difficult to remove and problematic to repair as it had a built in reg/rec. it was cheaper to convert to a seperate reg/ref then replace the standard item. That crazy flat spot just above idle did a lot of people’s heads in. I didn’t like the headlight/fairing/mirror bracket assembly. Didn’t like pulling the engine to fix the problematic big ends (in the 1000). The cassette gearbox was a nice feature but that’s about it. The reverse crank was also interesting. Radial valves, they could keep them. Loved the sexy fat forks. The QR front axle was a nice but not a well thought out feature. And what was it with the fragile hub bearing??
the rh bearing in the rear hub on the pre 2010 is just a bad part chioce / design, and a service item. i keep them on the shelf. i've not had to do any big ends in them, or alts, so no comments on that. mirror mount electrical arrangement is design insanity.
the 1000r has the later wheels which are a lot lighter. bit annoying to work on, but it's a case of what you're used to. leaking rocker cover gaskets highlight the lack of access to stuff that could be simple. rear brake fluid res location was designed by someone who later went to ducati to make them annoying to work on.
the low speed running can be very aggressive on the 1000. 750 could be set up nicely fuelling wise. 750 spr motor is just fabulous if you like high revving things with no midrange. uncomfortable is a given.
you can replace the water pump impeller with one that shifts more coolant, and with the metal muzzy fan blades the overheating issues are fixed.
brutales are geared very short, which makes them snappy and also overly jerky and run out of gears imo. i did re-gear a 750 brutale years ago with a 15 on the front and it made it a much nicer bike. makes the speedo wrong tho.
nice enough bike all round. 1000r in black and white is my favourite.
the 1000r has the later wheels which are a lot lighter. bit annoying to work on, but it's a case of what you're used to. leaking rocker cover gaskets highlight the lack of access to stuff that could be simple. rear brake fluid res location was designed by someone who later went to ducati to make them annoying to work on.
the low speed running can be very aggressive on the 1000. 750 could be set up nicely fuelling wise. 750 spr motor is just fabulous if you like high revving things with no midrange. uncomfortable is a given.
you can replace the water pump impeller with one that shifts more coolant, and with the metal muzzy fan blades the overheating issues are fixed.
brutales are geared very short, which makes them snappy and also overly jerky and run out of gears imo. i did re-gear a 750 brutale years ago with a 15 on the front and it made it a much nicer bike. makes the speedo wrong tho.
nice enough bike all round. 1000r in black and white is my favourite.
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Yeah, I think that would be a great choice. You can’t go wrong with that. I think the 1098 S does best job of blending all the things I like about ducati’s.. trellis frame, dry clutch, torquey twin, light weight, modern rider aids. I came very close to getting one. At the time the riding position was too committed and uncomfortable for me. Later I opted for 1199. It does not have the same appeal as 1098 to me or as torquey down low but was more comfortable. I’m 5’10” and it fit me better.I go on that forum all the time. I know how they feel about their favorite bike. This forum is larger and I thought it would be more interesting to discuss this here. Deep down inside, I wouldn’t regret opening the shop door and seeing this sitting there...![]()
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I don’t like inline 4’s either. I’ve never owned one. My 1st real street bike was a Suzuki 250 2-stroke twin. Then in 1984 I got a new Interceptor 1000. I still have it. It’s mint and runs really well. I don’t want to stress it out nowadays, so I want something else that I can ring it’s neck. To me, the Interceptor is special. I didn’t even hesitate to order in back in the fall of 83. It was pretty expensive at that time for a young 20 yr old! This next bike has been troublesome to nail down. I’ve test - rode several that I thought I wanted. Only to find out that I really wasn’t that impressed by all of them. So, then I say to myself, if it was given to me, which would it be? The V4 is my answer. But it’s not free....and buying one would financially starve my snowmobile habit (I’ve got 6 of those), my two GTOs, the dirt bike addiction, and then there’s my two big V-twin cruisers.....!
It’s just too damn bad that the Ducati’s I like nowadays, and the ones that are available, all lack the key code cards and only come with one key. I’ve been researching these bikes and you guys make it clear not to purchase such a bike unless the price is right. And the price ain’t right. They want top dollar and won’t budge (and yet they are still sitting there on the show room floor for the last 6-7 months).
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