[joeychitwood]

Does any one person claim to be the designer of the first Ducati ST2 in 1998, or was it designed by a committee?

 

[Lesco]

Good question. I am going to go with Massimo Tamburini. He is credited with the Paso, and the ST2 is often called "the son of Paso". Tamburini also designed the 916/748/996 which I think share alot with the ST series.

 

[SS904]

My understanding is it was the same guy who designed the Monster. Miguel Galluzzi.

 

[stryder]

My understanding is it was the same guy who designed the Monster. Miguel Galluzzi.

That's my understanding as well. (who's Argentinien and at Aprilia now IIRC) But who styled the '04 update? Was it PT?

 

[joeychitwood]

Reading some articles I Googled, it looks like Galuzzi designed the fairings for the ST2. Were the frame and engine novel designs, or were they lifted from another bike?

 

[mrturbozxj]

The engine is a next generation of the paso's. I don't think ducati used any other watercooled 2v motors. The frame is pretty similar to the superbike frame as far as width etc, but I'm pretty sure the ST frame is unique to the ST.

 

[kellyhewes]

Pierre Terblanche designed the ST series.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Terblanche

The frame is from the Monster.

 

[SS904]

Again, only as I understand it, I have not spent a lot of time researching this... I think more correctly, PT did the upper fairing only for the '04 and up ST3 and 4 (ST2 was gone by then). The 03 and below was not PT's work at all. Also, the Monster S4 on (not including the new stuff), uses a modified ST frame. Remember, before the S4, all Monsters’ were air cooled. The ST started life as a water cooled bike. The Monster/ST connection prior to the Monster S4 was original designer and that they are both derived from the 851/888 series SBK chassis.

 

[stryder]

Again, only as I understand it, I have not spent a lot of time researching this... I think more correctly, PT did the upper fairing only for the '04 and up ST3 and 4 (ST2 was gone by then). The 03 and below was not PT's work at all. Also, the Monster S4 on (not including the new stuff), uses a modified ST frame. Remember, before the S4, all Monsters’ were air cooled. The ST started life as a water cooled bike. The Monster/ST connection prior to the Monster S4 was original designer and that they are both derived from the 851/888 series SBK chassis.

From my understanding, I think all the above is correct re ST lineage.

 

[MarkST]

the first Ducati ST2 in 1998

The ST2 was launched in 1997 in Europe Joey.

 

[joeychitwood]

The ST2 was launched in 1997 in Europe Joey.

Was that the first year (anywhere) for the ST series?

 

[MarkST]

Was that the first year (anywhere) for the ST series?

Blimey that was quick Joey !!
Dunno mate - I've seen references to 'ST2 1996 - 2003' but I dont know where any were ever launched in 1996, and lets face it, where would any Ducati be first launched other than in Europe ?

 

[stryder]

Was that the first year (anywhere) for the ST series?

ST2 model ran from 1997 through 2003 according to Ian Falloon.

 

[cb4265]

Chicken or the egg?

Which came first, the ST2 or the Monster?

My understanding until this discussion was that the Monster chassis & parts were borrowed from the Sports Tourer?

Craig

 

[mcd]

Which came first, the ST2 or the Monster?

Craig

Monster. The M900 began shipping in 1993.

 

[st2lemans]

My understanding until this discussion was that the Monster chassis & parts were borrowed from the Sports Tourer?

Only the newer monsters, ca. 2000+ or so.

Tom

 

[Desmo_Demon]

IIRC, the ST2 first came out in '97 in Europe as stated previously, and the frame was much different than the '93-'01 Monster frames. The '93-'01 Monster used the 851 based frame the the rear suspension that uses the "loop" swingarm and a huge rocker located under the seat. In '02, the Monster got a slightly modified ST frame. The exception to this, as stated earlier, was the "S4" Monster that used the ST-based frame first (in 2000).

Here you can see a good picture of the "loop" on the swingarm of the '93-'01 Monsters (non-S4)...

 

[Lesco]

Interesting thread. The Wikipedia link for the Pierre Terblanche suggestion has really no supporting references. (one weak MCN article).

It's starting to look like the "committee" idea may not be far from the truth.

 

[joeychitwood]

It's starting to look like the "committee" idea may not be far from the truth.

I'm thinking the same thing. The answer is either Pierre Terblanche, Miguel Galuzzi or Massimo Tamborini, based on the frames of a number of bikes over a period of time. Definitely not like the 916 or 996 lineage.

 

[stryder]

Excerpts from the "Standard Catalogue of Ducati Motorcycles: 1946 - 2005" by Ian Falloon, a highly respected Ducati authority:

Re the Monster:

"Designer Miguel Angel Galluzzi created a new niche of motorcycle, a naked and minimalist street bike unlike anything else available, with all the sporting credentials expected of a Ducati....As with some earlier efforts, the 900 Monster was a synthesis of components of various existing models but concoted into a considerably more effective package than previous endeavours. The engine was basically that of the 900 Supersport, with slightly different carburetor, .... The Chassis though was derived from the 851/888 rather than the Supersport with rising rate suspension..."

Re the ST2:

"Soon after TPG acquired control of Ducati, it added an additional family line to broaden the appeal of Ducati. This was the Sport Touting range, later expanded to include the Mulitstrada. The first Sport Touring though, the ST2, was a remnant of the Cagiva era, and styled by Miguel Galluzzi....While continuing where the 906 and 907 I.E. left off, the ST2 was more conventional in execution. The frame was based on the 900 Monster rather than the Paso, with a steel swing arm and 916 style rear suspension linkage with adjustable ride height...."

So, all ST bikes have a frame derived from the 8XX superbikes.