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I didnt like the looks or finishes of the first gen Tuono v4 1000 and opted for the S1000R as well, but when the 1100 factory came out I was smitten with the new look, the better low-end, and the RSV4 bodywork. Yeah the S1000R still does some things better than the TV4 factory but the Tuono is so much better looking and that V4 engine is in a class of it's own.

From the seat of the pants I think the TV4 is the quickest of them all - if not its the most satisfying. Both bikes are worlds better than the SF in instilling confidence in the rider and ease of use.. The biggest downside to my first gen S1000R was the suspension; that Electronic suspension system was fine on the track but utter crap for normal everyday riding. Both the SFS and the Tuono factory with their Ohlins supensions are so much better.
Personally I wouldn't say the Tuono 1100 is better looking. I find the S1000r more attractive in a odd ugly way. To each of its own!

My friend has a 2017 Tuono RR. We've done a few straight line runs. We haven't had a clean all out race where we row through the gears but we've raced many times from 5th and 6th gear doing 30-50mph just to see the torque. Surpsingly the S1000r outpulls the Tuono everytime. Its like as if the S1000R started a gear lower than the Tuono everytime.
 

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Personally I wouldn't say the Tuono 1100 is better looking. I find the S1000r more attractive in a odd ugly way. To each of its own!

My friend has a 2017 Tuono RR. We've done a few straight line runs. We haven't had a clean all out race where we row through the gears but we've raced many times from 5th and 6th gear doing 30-50mph just to see the torque. Surpsingly the S1000r outpulls the Tuono everytime. Its like as if the S1000R started a gear lower than the Tuono everytime.
Tuono is thin on low to midrange... top gear pulls are not its thing but drop to 1st for 30-50 and results may be different (though with the way BMW underrates their power it could be closer than some would think). Folks interested in high gear shenanigans should just buy the KTM because nothing else comes close... but if you like winding it out then the Tuono might be your huckleberry.
 

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Serious question: why don’t Streetfighter guys consider this a Streetfighter? I think this is one of the most beautiful naked bikes Ducati has ever sold.




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Serious question: why don’t Streetfighter guys consider this a Streetfighter? I think this is one of the most beautiful naked bikes Ducati has ever sold.




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Because it's a Monster...which could be classified as a streetfighter, but there's only one Streetfighter...
 

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You talk about the KTM, BMW, and Ape as being substitutes. Why not this bike?


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A streetfighter is traditionally a stripped down SBK with standard bars and the fairings removed. All the bikes we are discussing are based on superbikes. The Monster is its own thing and I consider it a standard bike, not a stripped down sportbike. But I do see where you are coming from and for me the Monster is a viable alternative to the the SF - especially the older S4R and the latest 1200R.

The big problem for most of us came when the S4R was discontinued the new Monsters topped out at 1100 air-cooled versions only. At that point the Monster was pretty watered down and could not compete with the bikes in the Hyper-naked category. When the SF was discontinued Ducati tried to bring the liquid cooled Monster back, and the bike is pretty decent but, by that time nobody cared and most of the magazines and reviewers didn't put the Monster in the same class as the bikes we are discussing. And unfortunately that feeling is still with us today. Most people would like to see Ducati build another Streetfighter - A bike based on the Superbike.

For what it's worth I did get a chance to ride the SFS and the 1200R back to back and the monster felt a little long and low comparably. A bit like a cruiser.

Dont get me wrong, I love the Monster!
 

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I get the Superbike connection. It’s just the rest of the industry now groups all those types of bike as super nakeds. Streetfighter really isn’t a genre any more. It’s just the name Ducati gave to their super naked at the time. Most people now consider the Monster 1200R in that same category. I’m surprised it doesn’t get more respect from Ducati owners.

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I get the Superbike connection. It’s just the rest of the industry now groups all those types of bike as super nakeds. Streetfighter really isn’t a genre any more. It’s just the name Ducati gave to their super naked at the time. Most people now consider the Monster 1200R in that same category. I’m surprised it doesn’t get more respect from Ducati owners.

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Streetfighter was never a genre of new production Bikes. It has always been a home built classification much like cafe racer or street tracker. Ducati called their bike the Streetfighter because it embodies the spirit of the home built Styreetfighter where guys take sportbikes - often crashed bikes - and strip the fairings and put dirtbike bars on them. A lot of guys that built their bikes didnt like the name given to ducatis production bikes - they said it wasnt a real streetfighter.

I would have thought that the industry would group the Monster in with the other hyper-nakeds but that hasn't been the case. I see comparisons of the ktm,bmw Ape and even the speed-trip all the time but rarely is the 1200R monster included. I even read one article that said they thought about including it but it didnt perform well enough to be considered so they left it out. I just dont think the Monster gets its due credit. Sorry, I don't agree that most people consider it in the same category as the other bikes in this topic. I dont think they do.

The reality is that the old Ducati SF is no longer considered by the industry or press either. It has been out of production for several years now so it's never included in comparisons. But the fact is that it still compares favorably to the newest bikes in the category. Truth is no other naked has ever or ever will have as much character and personality as the 1098 SFS
 

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After 9 years nothing caught my attention to replace my sfs.

In fact I will keep it until it grenades and I have an eye open for a 1198 spare engine, if I find a good one at a good price I will bite.

I like the fact I can do whatever I want with the ecu, the low weight, power, if I want a replacement it will be expensive, and I still don't have any interest for others. The look is also (in my eyes) hard to beat. And I'll never pay 25k for a v4 sf.

I'll probably add an enduro beside it, ktm 690 or maybe crf 450 but the expensive plates here are braking me for that.
 

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I honestly don’t understand the difference.


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Ride a Monster, then ride 1098 Streetfighter. “Different” is not a strong enough word.

The Monster is a naked bike. There is nothing aggressive about it. Not the aesthetics, not the engine character, and definitely not the majority of the people that ride them. There are a rare few that are the exception.
 

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I can thoroughly understand “character” and how much it means to the rider. I’ll take your word for it since I’ve never ridden either the Streetfighter or the M1200.

But when I look at the specs they seem very similar on paper. About the same hp and weight with a torque advantage going to the M1200. I’m not sure how chassis geometry compares. But again, that’s just numbers on paper.


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Duckman has one of the sweetest late model monsters around and I'd add his bike to my stable in a heartbeat. And I understand his love for the bike, its nimble, light, loaded with grunt and just an all-around fun motorcycle. In some ways it asks less from a rider and is easier to ride than the SF is.

Now - I just remembered why we dont see comparisons online or in the press where the Monster is included; Last year Ducati NA issued a statement that they would no-longer supply bikes to the press for reviews or comparisons, Thus the bike is left out and in my view its also left out of our collective naked bike paradigm as well. At the time I thought it was a bad choice for Ducati to pull out of that type of marketing and in my opinion its starting to show that it was a bad choice.

Duckman, remember that the SFS has a unique engine with 43 degrees of cam overlap, 1198 exhaust porting and injectors with 1098 displacement and that distinctive dry clutch rattle - none of the newer Ducati engines can match its rawness or it's radical character. Numbers on paper will never tell the real story. Then there's the strange re-worked 1098 SBK frame and stretched swingarm that only the SF used. It's a unique combination and from what I've seen most people have a hard time with it. Only guys that are determined and excited to tame it will persevere enough to bring out the best in that bike. It takes time and work and most riders never get there.
 

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Duckman has one of the sweetest late model monsters around and I'd add his bike to my stable in a heartbeat. And I understand his love for the bike, its nimble, light, loaded with grunt and just an all-around fun motorcycle. In some ways it requires less of a rider and is easier to ride than the SF is.

Now - I just remembered why we dont see comparisons online or in the press where the Monster is included; Last year Ducati NA issued a statement that they would no-longer supply bikes to the press for reviews or comparisons, Thus the bike is left out and in my view its also left out of our collective naked bike paradigm as well. At the time I thought it was a bad choice for Ducati to pull out of that type of marketing and in my opinion its starting to show that it was a bad choice.

Duckman, remember that the SFS has a unique engine with 43 degrees of cam overlap, 1198 exhaust porting and injectors with 1098 displacement and that distinctive dry clutch rattle - none of the newer Ducati engines can match its rawness or it's radical character. Numbers on paper will never tell the real story. Then there's the strange re-worked 1098 SBK frame and stretched swingarm that only the SF used. It's a unique combination and from what I've seen most people have a hard time with it. Only guys that are determined and excited to tame it will persevere enough to bring out the best in that bike. It takes time and work and most riders never get there.






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...In some ways it requires less of a rider and is easier to ride than the SF is.

What? Did you really say that? Mike I swear, I try to be nice and you come out with something like this. Jeez. The arrogance is a bit hard to take.

I would not compare the older Monsters to the older Streetfighter in any way. Totally different bike. I’ve been referring to the M1200.



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What? Did you really say that? Mike I swear, I try to be nice and you come out with something like this. Jeez. The arrogance is a bit hard to take.

I would not compare the older Monsters to the older Streetfighter in any way. Totally different bike. I’ve been referring to the M1200.



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Hmmm I think that statement came out wrong, what I meant was that the Monster asks less from a rider and to me its easier to ride than the Streetfighter is. I wasnt trying to say that Streetfighter riders (me included) are somehow more skilled than other riders. I'm a pretty mediocre rider and I know it. What I really mean is that the SF takes a long time and some determination to get comfortable on it - that's all. I dont think most people get on the SF and really like it right off the bat.

(I edited that sentence in the original post)
 

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Here is my take... Been a loyal Ducatisti for almost two decades. Raced for the last ten. I have ridden just about every bike mentioned in this thread.

Love the Tuono V4 Factory. But its about as sexy as a mans ass. Some of the modded ones I have seen are not to bad.

Almost bought a SFS two years ago but kinda wanted something different than a Ducati. Ended up with a Brutale 1090RR.

WOW what a bike!. Actually kinda turned me off to Ducati the bike was so good at everything. All I could think is wow my Ducatis are missing the mark big time.

I have never been an I-4 fan until I got on the MV.

Brutale has as much soul. Actually more in my opinion. That motor is just magic. They way it howls on the top, crazy over runs, and silky smooth everywhere. Plenty of power and great torque down low. Riding in town with traffic is a joy unlike a Ducati. The chassis is light years ahead of anything Ducati has put out. Including the super bikes (have not been on a V4 yet so can not comment on that one). Yes its amazing. I have raced Ducati's for almost a decade and I can say the MV kills them in handling out of the box.

Brutale is way more comfortable also... Can ride that bike all day for weeks on end.

Totally unexpected but that MV changed me. I have since got an F4 track bike because I liked the Brutale so much.

No bike I have been on has the fun factor and special feeling of the 1090rr while being an amazingly livable street bike and good looking.

Now if Ducati builds a V4 Naked with a super bike chassis I'll have one for sure!
 
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