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Shoei RF1200

Man ... there are SOOO MAANNNYYY helmets out there now.

I think I'll just go with what seems to be "the safe bet" and buy a new Shoei RF1200. With the reviews of it in this thread, combined with the multitudes of positive reviews of that make/model elsewhere, it seems like it's difficult to go wrong with that one.

Trouble is, there are only 3 or 4 bike shops where I live, so actually trying one on may not be an option unless I get lucky and one of those shops has one in my size to test fit it on me noggin.

I just want something plain and white or a bright red for safety reasons (see attached images) No fancy graphics, just something simple. I've yet to read a bad review of the Shoei RF1200 other than "it didn't fit me right" types of remarks ... which were few and far between.

I plan on buying a new jacket, my current one is plain black leather that I bought in 1985 ... it's still plenty serviceable but I'd like to get one with the "speed hump" (aka "aero hump") since that's been suggested to me regarding the reduction of buffeting and my neck injury issue. So the Shoei RF1200 is hopefully something that will fit well with the hump and work well with the hump. I'm guessing that with it's seemingly high degree of popularity, the Shoei RF1200 will most likely work just fine with a new jacket.

Revzilla offers the Shoei RF1200 for $486.00 to $499.00. That seems reasonable ... ??? ... I guess ??? There are over 1,000 reviews of the RF1200 on this Revzilla webpage, with a 4.8 positive score out of 5.0. That's difficult to ignore!

LINK = https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/shoei-rf-1200-helmet-solid?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Text-Vendor Tail-Shoei Helmets-Helmets&utm_id=bing_73205310_4806955842_76691029685948_kwd-27151066366:loc-190_c&utm_term=shoei rf-1200&msclkid=0bdfba869e3f13969f90e78111ac8c2e

While something akin to the Shoei RF1200 is certainly the most sensible choice, I still love the ~look~ of the old Bell Star. The two pics attached are of modern Biltwell Gringo hoods that look a lot like the 1970s Bell Stars ... but I'd not spend money on one of those since they're probably loud as all get out, and they may even leak around the face shield. And most likely don't have removable/washable inner linings either. Just to get it said, the Biltwells are DOT approved (not sure about Snell approval though).

But that look! Oh my! But clearly the Shoei is the most wise choice between the two makes.

So many options these days! Geez! (which is a good thing).

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Here is my take.
The RF1200 really deserves to be in the premium helmet market. It is the flagship of Shoei, and deservingly so. It offers a fourth layer of protection that is a huge plus, but does not come at the expense of weight.

While I like my Arai, removing the faceshield is sort of a pain in the butt. You have to pop off the plates, lift it to a certain spot, release the tabs, hold your tongue just right, move the shield to another spot, pray to the helmet gods, sacrifice your town's dumbest virgin, and hope all lines up right when it comes time to put it back together. The Shoei is simple.... lift it, depress the tabs, and pop it off... (snap it in and lower it, to install).

Fitment on the RF1200 is great, though I cannot complain in regards to my Arai, either.

Yes, both have removable/washable liners and cheek pads.

The Shoei, unlike the Corsair X, has provisions on the shell for speakers, which is a plus if you want to outfit the helmet with a communicator. It can be done on the Arai, but the Shoei is much easier. Plus, the bottom trim is removable, making installation cleaner, whereas it is not on the Arai.

Ventilation is more abundant on the Arai, as it has three intake vents, an adjustable exhaust vent, chin vent, two lower exhaust vents, a lower exhaust vent in the bottom trim piece, and a pair of brow vents. The Shoei only has three intake vents up top, a unitized exhaust vent (also adjustable), and a chin vent. That said, both flow and breathe about the same, with the Shoei seemingly having even more airflow than the Arai.

The RF1200 also has a cutaway for the shoulders, though I never have noticed a need, nor a benefit from it.

Both helmets have similar padding, however, the high density foam in the Shoei is definitely thicker, possibly adding a little energy displacement upon impact.

Both are DOT FMVSS No. 218 certified.

Both are SNELL certified.

Both come with Pinlock, however, the Pinlock is better placed on the Arai. The way the pins are located places them right at the edge of the face opening in the shell. On the Shoei, the pins are more forward, and were slightly distracting at first, as I have caught them in my peripheral.

Both come with a breath guard at the nose, which are removable.

Both come with a chin guard, which are removable.

The Arai has a secondary, non removable, pull down chin guard, though I have honestly never used mine. It just really seems redundant, and entirely unnecessary, to me.

Both come outfitted with a d-ring strap with snap.

Both come with removable cheek pads, though the Shoei has an added red pull strap and warning labels for emergency medical personnel.

The padding on the RF1200 is a little more plush, though no complaints about the Arai, either.

Opening the face shield on the Shoei is simple. There is a tab molded into the faceshield that you simply lift up. The Arai is a bit more cumbersome, especially with gloves on, where you have to lift up a lever, then pull the shield outward slightly, while lifting.

The Shoei faceshield offers a nice ratcheting system, which is firm and crisp. The Arai has a basic friction system that only has three affirmed positions.... down, fully up, and slightly lower than fully up. Matter of taste, as neither have failed to retain the faceshield in the desired positions, but I do prefer the ratcheting system of the Shoei.

Fitment: Measure your head accordingly, as per EACH manufacturer's recommendations, and go by their charts (do not assume that you are a large in Arai, because the Shoei chart said so, and vice versa). Unlike leathers and apparel like Alpinestars (which tend to fit on the small side), these helmet manufacturers are pretty spot on with their sizing, so go by their charts, and order the correct size.

The faceshield on the Shoei is MUCH more rigid, making the Arai feel VERY flimsy, by comparison! (Flame on, Arai guys. ?<img src="http://www.ducati.ms/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" />

Weight wise, they are close, with the Shoei edging out the Arai, at 62.24oz., vs. 64.76oz, respectively. Note that these are not true weights, as both are outfitted with Senna SMH-10R communications systems, these measurements are designed to only reflect the weight differences between the two, marginal as they may be.

Both come in at about the same price point with each other.

Both helmets do have limited brow area visibility though (when in an aggressive race tuck), although this is only an issue if you are in an aggressive tuck with your body hugging the tank. Regular everyday riding, this is not an issue, even on a superbike.

Lastly, the NVH.
While both are extremely quiet, I do notice a whistle with the Arai, but only when I look to the side (either side). When looking dead ahead, both are equally quiet, and both suppress the outside sound about the same (both faceshield up, as well as down.)

Neither one have any noticable buffering, and while the Arai does have a multi-positionable air spoiler on the rear, I have never seen a need to use it.

Conclusion: Both helmets are great products, and one could not go wrong choosing either. I do like the RF1200 fourth matrix layer, and would probably choose it again, if I could only choose one.... but let's not deny the fact that Arai helmets are synonymous with safety, and are already some of the safest helmets on the planet. By design, for example, they have a lower roll around the perimeter, that is designed to bounce the impact energy back into the shell, instead of your head. ?
Either way, you cannot go wrong.

Hope this helps!
 

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Man ... there are SOOO MAANNNYYY helmets out there now.

I think I'll just go with what seems to be "the safe bet" and buy a new Shoei RF1200. With the reviews of it in this thread, combined with the multitudes of positive reviews of that make/model elsewhere, it seems like it's difficult to go wrong with that one.

Trouble is, there are only 3 or 4 bike shops where I live, so actually trying one on may not be an option unless I get lucky and one of those shops has one in my size to test fit it on me noggin.

I just want something plain and white or a bright red for safety reasons (see attached images) No fancy graphics, just something simple. I've yet to read a bad review of the Shoei RF1200 other than "it didn't fit me right" types of remarks ... which were few and far between.

I plan on buying a new jacket, my current one is plain black leather that I bought in 1985 ... it's still plenty serviceable but I'd like to get one with the "speed hump" (aka "aero hump") since that's been suggested to me regarding the reduction of buffeting and my neck injury issue. So the Shoei RF1200 is hopefully something that will fit well with the hump and work well with the hump. I'm guessing that with it's seemingly high degree of popularity, the Shoei RF1200 will most likely work just fine with a new jacket.

Revzilla offers the Shoei RF1200 for $486.00 to $499.00. That seems reasonable ... ??? ... I guess ??? There are over 1,000 reviews of the RF1200 on this Revzilla webpage, with a 4.8 positive score out of 5.0. That's difficult to ignore!

LINK = https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/shoei-rf-1200-helmet-solid?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Text-Vendor Tail-Shoei Helmets-Helmets&utm_id=bing_73205310_4806955842_76691029685948_kwd-27151066366:loc-190_c&utm_term=shoei rf-1200&msclkid=0bdfba869e3f13969f90e78111ac8c2e

While something akin to the Shoei RF1200 is certainly the most sensible choice, I still love the ~look~ of the old Bell Star. The two pics attached are of modern Biltwell Gringo hoods that look a lot like the 1970s Bell Stars ... but I'd not spend money on one of those since they're probably loud as all get out, and they may even leak around the face shield. And most likely don't have removable/washable inner linings either. Just to get it said, the Biltwells are DOT approved (not sure about Snell approval though).

But that look! Oh my! But clearly the Shoei is the most wise choice between the two makes.

So many options these days! Geez! (which is a good thing).

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Desimoto posted a really good comparison between helmets. One thing to mention is that you REALLY have to try the helmet on, and I really can’t stress that enough, you don’t want to drop 500 on a helmet only to find it fits you piss poor. If you buy online I would find one that allows returns because you’ll know right away if it’s made for your head.. the rf1200 is too narrow for my head and squeezes my temples where as the x12 fits my noggin very nicely.

My experience maybe out of date as it’s been a few years since I’ve bought a helmet. During the time the x11 was the latest. I still ended up with an arai as I liked the design better. I also have a scorpion and had an icon helmet long ago. In my experience my arai tended to be noisy however it also breathed the best. My scorpion was $120 at the time and honestly I liked what I got at that price range. Was it a good helmet? Yeah great! But I could tell my arai was worth a bit more as it was just more comfortable, vented better had a nicer liner and was lighter. Newer helmets have so much going for them these days especially with safety. Like I said though it’s been sometime since buying a helmet so I may be behind in the times but if it’s snell approved you should be good to go, ECE rating is good too if not better from what I remember.

As far as brands go I have 2 arai’s a bell 500, a Simpson bandit, a scorpion, a troy lee designs helmet and one more dirt helmet of some sort. I don’t have a biltwell but would like to get one.
 

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Bell 500 for the vintage bikes.
Bell Moto-3 for the monster.
I wear a bell 500 on my vintage bike. It has a weird fit definitely for my head.. the biltwell bonanza is a feel a better helmet at that price point and just happens to fit me better. If you don’t have one already however I strongly recommend a full face lid first
 

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Bell 500 (open face) ... no thanks, I've seen enough faces turned into ~chum~ from wearing open face hoods on the street.

Bell Star ... see attached. :yeah:
 

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I've been riding for over 20 years, in my younger years I've worn Shoei and AGV. Then I tried an Arai and have never gone back. Best comfort and fit I've ever had. I will never wear anything else.
 

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5 Major Helmet manufacturers ... AGV, Arai, Bell, Nolan, Shoei , and a few smaller companies trying to expand business. Hard to go wrong, unless you are trying too.. Meaning, you get what you pay for.
 

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Here is my take..... Hope this helps!
EPIC comparison, brother! Crazy helpful, many thanks!


~Looks~ .. I like the shape of the Arai.

But I think I'm going to buy the Shoei RF-1200. I just need to decide between plain red, or plain white. ... (I like the white ... even though the fella on the Suzuki powered Honda is wearing an Arai, the pictures make the point for a white helmet with dark colored gear) ...

I'm buying it this morning via Motowheels, with my MilVet/LEO discount I can have it for $429.00 shipped.

Now the question is ... will it arrive no later than Friday (today being Wednesday)? I have to be at the MST course at 04:45hrs on Saturday morning!


One thing I like about the shoulder cutaways on the Shoei RF-1200 is they might have less of a chance of breaking the collarbone in a crash.
 

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ARRG! BLAHST!

Even though Motowheels shows the white Shoei RF-1200 "in stock" they do not actually have it in stock. I just called them to arrange pronto shipping and was told the helmet would have to be ordered in and then shipped to me.

Listen, I really appreciate that they offer MilVet/LEO discounts, but I'm a bit disappointed in this helmet situation.

Oh well, I'll just wear my wife's open face helmet at the MST class this weekend. I'm certain to be the only person there wearing a bright yellow open face with a ~smiley face~ painted on each side!

Just like this ---> :smile2: ... and as big as the palm of your hand. On both sides. With a bubble shield.



Just like the one pictured below, but without the black stripe .... and with a bubble shield ....

:laugh::laugh:
 

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I just bought a new HJC RPHA 70ST in titanium, I debated a few of the paint schemes but went with simple, I'm also hoping the semi-gloss will help make the metallic color more visible. I also thought about white but it'd never look clean. Flip-down secondary sunglasses visor, emergency pad releases, described as a sport helmet with touring (venting) in mind, and very comfy. It was also lighter than the Arai Corsair X I tried as the unobtainium comparison, 2.9lbs for the XL I bought vs. 3.5lbs for the Arai medium. I also grabbed some waterproof Alpinestars boots and am hoping for an end-of-season deal on a Klim Marrakesh. Good stuff, now I need to find an open class before November :eek:

 

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I just bought a new HJC RPHA 70ST in titanium, I debated a few of the paint schemes but went with simple, I'm also hoping the semi-gloss will help make the metallic color more visible. I also thought about white but it'd never look clean. Flip-down secondary sunglasses visor, emergency pad releases, described as a sport helmet with touring (venting) in mind, and very comfy. It was also lighter than the Arai Corsair X I tried as the unobtainium comparison, 2.9lbs for the XL I bought vs. 3.5lbs for the Arai medium. I also grabbed some waterproof Alpinestars boots and am hoping for an end-of-season deal on a Klim Marrakesh. Good stuff, now I need to find an open class before November :eek:

Hey, that looks pretty nice! I'm shopping for a helmet right now too. So much has changed over the years. When I last bought a hood there were Bells and Simpsons ... well, there were plenty of others but those were the two brands I trusted. These days there are so many to choose from it's hard to know what's good. I live in a city with just a couple/few bike shops so it's not like I can go try on very many brands.

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Thanks, I'm really excited to get out there, I could get a private class instead of the MSF but that's $350 vs. $20, I'll wait and use that towards a riding jacket. Here is a review of the helmet, its been getting really good reviews and seems to be playing out as the high-end helmet without the big price tag: https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/rm-rider-exchange/hjc-rpha-70-st-helmet/
 

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Thanks, I'm really excited to get out there, I could get a private class instead of the MSF but that's $350 vs. $20, I'll wait and use that towards a riding jacket. Here is a review of the helmet, its been getting really good reviews and seems to be playing out as the high-end helmet without the big price tag: https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/rm-rider-exchange/hjc-rpha-70-st-helmet/
I wore my wife's helmet when I took the MST course about two months ago .... I shit you not!
 

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I've had a rf1200 for about 4 years and love it. Comfortable, snug, SNELL, etc. It's a little loud with gopro mounted on the the front, but earplugs help with that. Without the gopro it's quiet enough without earplugs unless I'm on the freeway.

I'm coming up on 5 years and really hoping the rf1300 shows it's head before then.
 

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Hey, that looks pretty nice! I'm shopping for a helmet right now too. So much has changed over the years. When I last bought a hood there were Bells and Simpsons ... well, there were plenty of others but those were the two brands I trusted. These days there are so many to choose from it's hard to know what's good. I live in a city with just a couple/few bike shops so it's not like I can go try on very many brands.

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As you're not far from LA, I'd suggest heading up to Long Beach for the motorcycle show when it comes to town later this year. All kinds of stuff to check out and try on. If you're on the fence about a particular helmet, that's one way to see it, feel it, hold it, wear it to figure out whether you actually want it or not. Might be a bit of hike and there's admission too.
https://blog.motorcycle.com/2019/06/26/motorcycle-news/international-motorcycle-show-announces-2019-2020-dates-and-locations/

Long Beach, CA: November 22-24, 2019, Long Beach Convention Center
New York, NY: December 6-8, 2019, Jacob K. Javits Convention Center
Dallas, TX: January 3-5, 2020, Kay Bailey Hutchison Convention Center
Washington D.C.: January 10-12, 2020, Walter E. Washington Convention Center
Denver, CO: January 17-19, 2020, Colorado Convention Center
Cleveland, OH: January 24-26, 2020, International Exposition (I-X) Center
Minneapolis, MN: January 31 – February 2, 2020, Minneapolis Convention Center
Chicago, IL: February 7-9, 2020, Donald E. Stephens Convention Center
 

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Like some others here, I have both the Shoei X-14 and the Arai Corsair X. They're both very well made and about the same cost and protection level.

The face shield system on the Shoei is easier to use and I like the ratcheting system better.

All in all they're pretty comparable, but Arai definitely has better paint schemes. With a custom paint job the X-14 looks better, but the stock paint schemes just look uninspired and lame compared to the Arai.

I've not tried a Shark helmet, but I hear they make some good stuff.
 

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I found a deal on a Bell RS-2 a while back. Under $200. Has a drop down sun visor, which I have decided I like.
For me, the fit and everything is as good as the Arais I had before. Very happy with it.
The price is no comparison. Last I looked Arai's were north of $800.
 

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Shoei Neotec 1 and 2. I have a Shoei head, and the modular convenient for commuting. Especially going through the gate at work, I don't have to remove my helmet so the guard can compare my face to my ID.

I tried Arai, Nolan, and Bell, only Shoei and HJC fit my head. The Neotec 1 and now the 2 are the most comfortable helmets I've ever worn.
 
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