Thanks John for the response. I sure do miss that run and it looks like it will be closed for the season. Oh well. Yes, I saw the "humble pie" thread. BTW, what kind of pies are we talkin? Apple, pecan, pumpkin or the gut bustin combination or all meats pizza pies?!?! BTW, also noted in that thread, but heads up, for some reason, I'm seeing a LOT more LEO on the roads both highway and city. Also, crackdown in Elk Grove for speeders, apparently they received something like 160K in funding for that sole purpose and of course, theory is that two wheelers are targets.