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Well after 4 years it looks like the tank has started to spread on my 1000S.

I'll contact my Ducati dealer Monday and see if Ducati UK will step up to the mark.

I've only used Shell V Power. :)
 

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Well after 4 years it looks like the tank has started to spread on my 1000S.

I'll contact my Ducati dealer Monday and see if Ducati UK will step up to the mark.

I've only used Shell V Power. :)
Hey dude. My bip has spread a tiny bit, but I simply spaced the mounts out with some washers. No harm to the paint, etc.

Turns out that Shell are the only UK company that refuse to comment of the amount of ethanol in their premium pump product. BP and Texaco however will state that Super/Premium and BPUltimate are (currently) ethanol free, except in the West Country (no idea why). Murco are also ethanol free everywhere. Avoid Shell. I do, ...now.

Let me know how your claim goes. I may come in with you.
 

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LD - I'll keep you updated. I've also been keeping an eye on the current effort on metal tanks being made over the pond in the US of A. Might be worth making a few enquiries in the UK, know of anyone.
 

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I started a thread some while ago regarding someone in the UK with a contact who can make alloy tanks. I'm not sure where the fuel tanks are made, but the other guy is near Cambridge. He may be able to help if you can get your tank over to the Cambridge guy.

I can put you in touch with him or try contacting David at Solo Corse:

Solo Corse
 

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The ethanol is maybe not to blame...

I have a tank going south. It's been lined with Caswell and had ethanol fuel in it for probably less than two brief occasions. I'm at the point that I feel the tanks are just total shit. I don't know that in the long run any of them will last more than 10yrs without some type of deformation. If I keep mine it will have to be replaced with steel or aluminum to satisfy me. Just another wonderful Ducati quirk we are forced to deal with on our own; and soon at our own expense. Replacement tanks won't be forever...

I have family in England and Scotland. Please drop me a pm if you know of tank builders who are competent there. I'd like to contract someone this winter.
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Rudolph - Contact would be appreciated, might as well get the work kicked off.
 

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I'm keeping my eye on that Indian tank thread. If the price is right, then I'd risk it, or maybe a FuelCel? But I don't think they do them for the S or PS?

Meanwhile count me in for claims, tanks, whatever.

Meanwhile, avoid Shell and only use premium.
 

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What about this company: http://www.tabclassics.com/index.php

Good pedigree, and looks like they have a few styles that are close to the GT tank. Although I would want to have an exact replica of the GT tank, not a variation on a theme.

LondonDutch - Maybe you could contact them and enquire about the possibility of making a few runs of all the SC tanks? Seems like they would be able to see the market for it, based on how many people are wanting a metal tank alternative.

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A couple of days ago I emailed BP, Texaco, Shell, Murco, Esso, Tesco and Sainsburys 'Are any of your unleaded fuels, in the United Kingdom, ethanol free? If so which ones?'
So far I've had the following replies.....

BP
'In most regions of the UK our Ultimate Unleaded does not contain any Ethanol at present (South West UK excluded). This may of course change in the future as the specification allows up to 5%.
Our Regular grade gasoline does contain up to 5% bio ethanol in compliance with EN228 gasoline specification allowance in most regions of the UK.
All BP fuels, regular and BP Ultimate, contain additives which have cleaning and protection properties for the engine. BP Ultimate has been rigorously tested on a wide range of vehicles, covering thousands of miles, in various conditions. Its advanced formula offers a wide range of benefits including better fuel efficiency, more power, better responsiveness, and lower exhaust emissions, all of which gives long term benefit and value to the consumer and their vehicle. BP does not supply Bio Ethanol as a fuel'.


TEXACO
'As you are aware, manufacturers of road fuels in Europe have an obligation to meet the requirements of the European Renewable Energy Directive. The current most satisfactory way, agreed by the motor and oil industries, to achieve this obligation, is to incorporate Fatty Acid Methyl Esters (FAME) into diesel and bio ethanol into petrol.
In order to help achieve this regulation, the European Fuel Quality Directive, currently allows up to 7% FAME to be blended into diesel and 5% bio ethanol to be blended into petrol and these values are reflected in the European fuel standards EN590 for diesel and EN228 for petrol.
The European Commission then asked the European fuel technical committees (CEN), which include experts from both the motor and oil industries, to prepare a fuel standard for petrol which would allow 10% ethanol to be blended (E10).
Some Super Unleaded Petrol is ethanol free, but not all and due to the complexity of the fuel distribution system, we cannot guarantee zero ethanol'.


SHELL
'Both Shell FuelSave Regular Unleaded and Shell V-Power Unleaded contain up to 5% ethanol as stipulated by the European fuel specification EN228 and UK government legislation.
At Shell, we are passionate about fuel, and our dedicated fuel scientists work continuously in the lab to bring you the most advanced and effective fuels.
Once again, thank you for contacting Shell UK'.


ESSO
'Our energy Supreme Unleaded is largely ethanol free with the exception of Scotland, the North eastern corner of England and the far South West. We would therefore advise anyone who has concerns about the presence of ethanol in petrol to use Esso Energy Supreme – providing they don’t fill up in Devon, Cornwall or Teeside'.

Still waiting to hear from Murco, Tesco and Sainsburys, but will will post their replies when received.
 

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Good work fella.

I did some research too, and decided the BP Ultimate was my fuel of choice. Luckily there is one around the corner from my House. Esso is my second choice but I never go near a Shell Garage unless it's an emergency, and then I only put in enough to get me to the nearest BP...

...Buy the way, BP have a free App in the App store that will find you the nearest retailer with BP Ultimate.
 

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Etoh

I've caswell sealed my own tank over a year and half ago used double the recommended volume and as a precaution purchased a brand new tank and had JC handle the coating work on that. Currently the spare sits on my shelf in my office. I've no signs of deformation, lucky maybe, but recently been able to find non-ETOH fuel locally here in Kutztown, PA but only at the 91 octane rating. This is what goes in my tank now. I don't see any adverse effects of the lower rating. Any thoughts on with the lower octane rating creating a long term problem?
 

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DK Tank Spread

I been using Shell V-Power around 95% of the time in my Sport 1000 since 2006 and I have also started to see a light tank spreading, at this time I have been able to fix the problem with a couple of large OD washers behind the rubber bushings on the tank but I will also try to find the gas brand with the least ethanol in Denmark and use that for the future.

I have asked my local Ducati dealer to contact the DK distributer and ask what is going on with this since it of cause unlikely that Ducati would sell a product in Denmark that are not suitable for the fuel sold on the same market;)

I'm also looking with interest at the India tank project but have also at the same time looked at this company from the US that seems to be where they have most ethanol in the fuel and hopefully know what they are talking about when it comes to tanks that actually works even with a high ethanol content.
FuelCel, Home of the Worlds best Composite Motorcycle Fuel Tanks !

Are there any products available in Europe that will make a good seal on the inside of the tank or even a company specialised in this kind of job?
 

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Hoppy, did you get any joy from the UK Dealer?

I think my tank has spread a little. Mine is a a 2008 and I'm wondering whether I should start trying to get a replacement before the bike gets too old?

I've definitely stopped using Shell.

Phil
 

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I've caswell sealed my own tank over a year and half ago used double the recommended volume and as a precaution purchased a brand new tank and had JC handle the coating work on that. Currently the spare sits on my shelf in my office. I've no signs of deformation, lucky maybe, but recently been able to find non-ETOH fuel locally here in Kutztown, PA but only at the 91 octane rating. This is what goes in my tank now. I don't see any adverse effects of the lower rating. Any thoughts on with the lower octane rating creating a long term problem?
I think you should measure the spread, or distance, between the rubber pucks on the spare tank once a year, to see if they have spread apart. If they don't stay the same distance (+/- a millimeter or two) every year then we're all screwed no matter what. Hopefully they don't spread at all.

Hmm, you bring up a good point. I wonder if there's an additive or two in the high-grade stuff that may be causing the issue? I've been using mid-grade for the last 6+ months with no ill effects that I can hear/see/feel with the engine. My tank is coated.
 

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Hoppy, did you get any joy from the UK Dealer?

I think my tank has spread a little. Mine is a a 2008 and I'm wondering whether I should start trying to get a replacement before the bike gets too old?

I've definitely stopped using Shell.

Phil
Ducati UK have sent a shim kit to the Ducati dealers in St Neots, they have to fit apparently. I presume this is the first stage, possibly shim again and if it keeps spreading....a replacement tank.

However I have contacted Dave at Solo Course ([email protected]). I'll probably ask Dave to replicate my tank over the winter.
 

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I been using Shell V-Power around 95% of the time in my Sport 1000 since 2006 and I have also started to see a light tank spreading, at this time I have been able to fix the problem with a couple of large OD washers behind the rubber bushings on the tank but I will also try to find the gas brand with the least ethanol in Denmark and use that for the future.

I have asked my local Ducati dealer to contact the DK distributer and ask what is going on with this since it of cause unlikely that Ducati would sell a product in Denmark that are not suitable for the fuel sold on the same market;)

I'm also looking with interest at the India tank project but have also at the same time looked at this company from the US that seems to be where they have most ethanol in the fuel and hopefully know what they are talking about when it comes to tanks that actually works even with a high ethanol content.
FuelCel, Home of the Worlds best Composite Motorcycle Fuel Tanks !

Are there any products available in Europe that will make a good seal on the inside of the tank or even a company specialised in this kind of job?
We noticed we were referenced in this thread so we thought we'd throw in our two cents' worth.
We not only have no expansion problems, but this tank is 8lbs lighter and holds about 3 liters more than the stock!
This makes it a win-win-win all the way if you're thinking of replacing your tank.
We also ship to European countries often.
 

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I e-mailed Ducati (via the main website) to see if they are doing anything in the UK. The reply was to take to a dealer to have a look. Popped down they today and they aren't really interested (unless it's a recall - which it isn't).

As tank replacement appears to be a country by country thing, should we Brit's be doing more before the bikes get too old? - anyone know how? (e.g. do we approach VOSA and say it's a safety issue - see that being a nightmare).

It's clearly been identified as a problem although admittedly our exposure to ethanol hasn't been as long, so our issues (currently) aren't as severe.

Perhaps I just need to chill out. The main thing is a still LOVE my bike - minor tank spread or not.

Phil
 
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