[tamino]

Hi!

I have recently installed Shift Tech's exhaust system with Termi race can without the valve and DP air filter on my '10 SFS. The exhaust is the same as on the vid below:

I have stock ECU. After the install of the exhaust I have noticed a slight decrease in acceleration. As I understand this is because of stock ECU.

I don't want to go deep and have my bike dyno tuned, since I am not sure if we have good dyno specialists here in Moscow, Russia. So, I just want to install the ECU from the DP Termi Full Exhaust kit and reset TPS - I think this will work rather good.

I have found one vendor selling the Magneti Marelly ECUs with DP maps: Ducati Streetfighter Streetfighter S Performance Race ECU.

Did anybody have experience with these ECUs? Are these ECUs the same as the ones included with the DP kit?

Thanks in advance!

 

[samw5]

Hi!

I have recently installed Shift Tech's exhaust system with Termi race can without the valve and DP air filter on my '10 SFS. The exhaust is the same as on the vid below:
Ducati Streetfighter Termigoni Exhaust Dyno Run Shift-Tech-Carbon.com - YouTube

I have stock ECU. After the install of the exhaust I have noticed a slight decrease in acceleration. As I understand this is because of stock ECU.

I don't want to go deep and have my bike dyno tuned, since I am not sure if we have good dyno specialists here in Moscow, Russia. So, I just want to install the ECU from the DP Termi Full Exhaust kit and reset TPS - I think this will work rather good.

I have found one vendor selling the Magneti Marelly ECUs with DP maps: Ducati Streetfighter Streetfighter S Performance Race ECU.

Did anybody have experience with these ECUs? Are these ECUs the same as the ones included with the DP kit?

Thanks in advance!

ECUs are pretty much all the same, so the only difference between the stock ECU and the DP ECU is the actual map that's loaded.
What you could do (what I would do) is look into DucatiDiag program. The app is free. You would however need to pay I think $120 for the license to be able to "flash" the stock ECU. There are several SF maps available online (the DP is one of them) that could be easily uploaded.
The only thing you would need are a couple cables (probably worth $15) and the license mentioned above.
The software will also let you reset your TPS (and service light as well just in case).

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[proheli]

Hi Sam.
Can you program cell-by-cell with that diagnotic tool, or is it just loading full maps? OP, you are already trying to tie together a high air flow map with a medium air flow pipe, both from different companies. I hope it works great, but you may need a programmable ecu to work out any bugs.

I have that exhaust and I really like it, but I also had a unsatisfactory rich spot at 6000, and I had to tune it out myself.

 

[moto]

You can re-flash your existing ECU for $250
MW Tuning/Rexxer ECU Remap

or buy a tool to reflash for $450
MWtuning/Protune Reprogrammer
this will also allow you to keep your stock map in case you need to return it back to stock. It reads codes and allows you to clear them.

-M

 

[samw5]

Hi Sam.
Can you program cell-by-cell with that diagnotic tool, or is it just loading full maps? OP, you are already trying to tie together a high air flow map with a medium air flow pipe, both from different companies. I hope it works great, but you may need a programmable ecu to work out any bugs.

I have that exhaust and I really like it, but I also had a unsatisfactory rich spot at 6000, and I had to tune it out myself.

I believe it is, there is a free map editor that looks fairly easy to use, provided you have tools to measure the AF ratio.
Best thing about it is that if you don't like the map you can revert or try something else as much as you want with the same license (ties to the ECU serial).

 

[tamino]

ECUs are pretty much all the same, so the only difference between the stock ECU and the DP ECU is the actual map that's loaded.
What you could do (what I would do) is look into DucatiDiag program. The app is free. You would however need to pay I think $120 for the license to be able to "flash" the stock ECU. There are several SF maps available online (the DP is one of them) that could be easily uploaded.
The only thing you would need are a couple cables (probably worth $15) and the license mentioned above.
The software will also let you reset your TPS (and service light as well just in case).

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Sam, thanks a lot for this. I didn't know about the DucatiDiag, which indeed could be a nice solution for me. As I understand, I would not need to take off the ECU, just to plug the DucatiDiag wires into the DDA connector on my SFS. The only thing is that this program is in French and one should be very careful when using it.

Hi Sam.
Can you program cell-by-cell with that diagnotic tool, or is it just loading full maps? OP, you are already trying to tie together a high air flow map with a medium air flow pipe, both from different companies. I hope it works great, but you may need a programmable ecu to work out any bugs.

I have that exhaust and I really like it, but I also had a unsatisfactory rich spot at 6000, and I had to tune it out myself.

Thanks for your input! Did you have this rich spot with the DP Full Exhaust map?

I have read some posts saying that the DP Full Exhaust map works quite nice with aftermarket full exhausts. I hope it would also work nice with the Shift's exhaust.

What device did you use to tune the ECU?

You can re-flash your existing ECU for $250
MW Tuning/Rexxer ECU Remap

or buy a tool to reflash for $450
MWtuning/Protune Reprogrammer
this will also allow you to keep your stock map in case you need to return it back to stock. It reads codes and allows you to clear them.

-M

Moto, thanks, but reflashing my ECU at MotoWeels will not work for me. I live in Russia and it is quite time and money consuming to send my ECU to USA to reflash.

ProTune is good and easy to use, but it is quite expensive taking into account that it could reflash the ECU with only 1 map. As I understand, if I would want to change the map, I would need to send the ProTune tool back to MotoWheels for a new map, which is not convenient for me.

 

[samw5]

Actually you don't need to remove the ECU, the cable (that needs to be purchased) plugs directly into the engine management port under the seat, just like the Ducati tool.

As for the language it is available in English as well. You just need to dig thru the forums a bit, there are a couple good posts explaining what you need to purchase (the two cables) and how to get it to work (you need to obtain the license file for your ECU first by connecting it and obtaining the ECU serial info the first time).

JP is the guy that runs the show over there. He speaks English well so you should be able to get some info from him if needed.

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[pcoakle1]

I have same exhaust and it definitely is running too lean with stock ECU. My dealer installed the microtek ecu and tried to tune it, but still had a dip in the curve from about 4k-6k.

I had to restrict flow via a db killer the guy I got the exhaust from even more than it was. That seemed to help a lot. I would like to, but have not had a chance to run it on a dyno yet.

It now is not is loud as without the dbkiller and has nice smooth pull pretty much everywhere.

I've got a K&N air filter, but truly did not notice any difference there. We even ran a dyno without any filter to see if that could contribute and it made next to no difference.

 

[proheli]

Thanks for your input! Did you have this rich spot with the DP Full Exhaust map?

I have read some posts saying that the DP Full Exhaust map works quite nice with aftermarket full exhausts. I hope it would also work nice with the Shift's exhaust.

What device did you use to tune the ecu with?

I've never used the dp race map, but then I don't think the Shift-Tech is a full system. The pipes coming out of the heads on mine have not been enlarged.

I was using the bazzaz slip on map when I had the rich spot at 6000, as well as lean at 3500 and 5000, but then I never expected it to work. I'd also had the exhaust valve removed and no db killer, two more things that mess with air flow and proper fueling. Within a couple of days of installation I had used the bazzaz afm and it had made the correct map for me. All good. With the afm you are independant and do it all yourself. Its pretty easy.

With the 2 into 1 hand worked section of the shift-tech you are really dealing with a section of pipe that no one has a correct map for, and its going to have its own pecuilarities. I dont see how you are going to get an ideal solution if you dont get a programmable ecu. The bazzaz afm is $300, after the $400 for the ecu. I paid 300 for install.

Good luck.

 

[ducati_dave]

There is a reflash called ecu unleashed for the streetfighter that offers the ability to adjust more of the parameters than a dp ecu. This coupled with a Powercommander 5 should be enough to fix your issue if there is a competent tuner near you.
I personally just had my ecu flashed with it, and also have a bazzaz zfi. All of the jerky fueling and and dips in power are virtually gone after I had my local tuner dyno my bike and make a custom bazzaz map.
He did say that a powercommander would have been better because it offers the ability to adjust fueling for individual cylinders and in increments of 250 rpm.

 

[tamino]

Thanks, guys! Your feedback is much appreciated.
I have decided to go with tuneboy after all.