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After much back and forth I am finally in the cusp of jumping into the Duc fray. I have been riding for about 18 years and most of it on British bikes or BMW R1200GS. Now that I have moved to a place where the weather is rideable all year and there are some awesome mountain roads to ride on I want to get a sports bike.

I am very fond of naked street bikes. Probably because it harks back to my Enfield days. I am torn between the Sport 1000, Streetfighter 1098 S, 900SS for an eventual Walt Siegl cafe racer coversion. And as a wild card the 999R which is the only Duc sports bike that really appeals to me from an ergonomics and 5-600 mile a day ride ability. I regularly do 200-250 miles of twisties on my GS and longer tours as well.

The Sport Classic line appeals to me for the air cooled engine, the simplicity, lack of electronics and the looks. But I will need to put money into it to upgrade the suspension (I am a big [email protected]' & 250lbs) and the wheels. I tried the PS but that's an ergonomic nightmare for me. The naked line looks good.

The SFS is the modern naked bike with tons of character. I have never ridden one but from what I read it's good for mountains but not great as a daily commuter and 300+ mile rider. I am also not 100% sold on the looks. The headlamp is a bit weird looking in my eyes.

The 900SS appeals to me for only two reasons 1. Because it's carbed and fully mechanical 2. It's a good platform to go the cafe racer route. Downside is that it's an old bike with known frame cracking issues and even with the 944 big bore I might get at most 80-90 hp

The 999R is the wild card here. I haven't ridden it but I have straddled one and it fit me like a glove. The short stroke engine is amazing. I like its looks and I genuinely believe that the 999R was the last time (MH900e and Superleggera not withstanding) that Duc made a price no object bike.

So which one would be your pick and why. For parity I am asking this same question in the SF and Sportsbike sections too.

Many thanks for your feedback in advance.

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For me I see two options: The sport classic or 999r. I ruled out the 900s because it is going to be a project. Having owned a 900s I also know that while it is in limbo they are pretty fun to ride but no where as enjoyable as my sport classic. I have ridden a couple of SFS and having ridden those the 999r has all the same feelings and riding feel, just much cooler and a better value for the money. The business side of me took the SFS out of contention. The sport classic is the only bike I still own after having many, 6 at one time, in my garage.

It is a bike that like the 999r is not seen a whole lot when I go riding and it is always something people want to talk to me about. The reason the sport classic takes the win for me here is that it is equally fun to ride slow stuck behind traffic in the canyons as it is when you are ripping on it when they are not backed up. My 999s was terrible to ride slow when traffic made it that way. On any given day I could ride the 999r or sport classic 500-600 miles.
Final order for me:
1. Sport Classic 2. 999r 3.SFS 4. 900s
 

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I have owned all 4 at one point or another... The SS is the least fun bike of that group, and I have always preferred the Monster 900 to the 900SS mainly for the comfort reason. The classic is a very cool looking bike, and is an attention getter, and in my opinion a better rider then the SS. The SFS, is with out a doubt, the bike you will enjoy riding the most, lots of power and a riding position that you can ride all day. The 999R is great for track riding, far from comfortable, gets real hot in traffic, but is a really nice piece in a collection.
 

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Totally biased here, owning both an 07 SC1000s and a Paul Smart, but I got to vote for the sc1000. I love the ds1000 engine and how they handle, not to mention the looks but that's subjective. Not too many bikes that you can buy and ride and if for some reason decide to sell, pretty much get all of your money back and maybe a little extra. Good luck in your decision, I don't think you can go wrong with any of those choices.
 

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The ergos for the Sport are the same as the Paul Smart -- awful for distance. A Sport Classic GT would be the path to take if you want a SC but also have something that you can ride for longer periods.

Is it the 900SS the only bike you want to eventually convert to a Walt S. or would it be whatever bike you eventually get from your list?
 

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The ergos for the Sport are the same as the Paul Smart -- awful for distance. A Sport Classic GT would be the path to take if you want a SC but also have something that you can ride for longer periods.

Is it the 900SS the only bike you want to eventually convert to a Walt S. or would it be whatever bike you eventually get from your list?
Personally I found my sport (when it was stock) to be very comfortable over long distances. The seat is wide and supportive and at speed the air supports your chest. I usually have tank bag which can also give you a break on long boring stretches. But I find it horrible as a commuter/in-town run about.

ps. biposto clips are significantly higher than the Paul Smart or monoposto.
 

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How about a 1000DS Supersport as the basis for the Walt Siegel project.

The same great motor of the SC, Öhlins shock as standard and much improved forks over the Carbed SS and plenty of UGLY Bodywork (that you would junk anyway) that keeps the prices low enough to leave plenty of cash left over for the build!?

Just an idea.

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my two cents:

I own a Sport Classic Biposto with upgraded suspension, wheels and brakes, and I also own a 05 999S, though not an R, it's a pretty incredible bike.

If I had to pick one to keep between the two I would be stumped. They are both incredibly different rides and are both amazing for their own reasons.

The 999S is way more comfortable than the classic, and it's my ride of choice for spirited canyon rides. Very nibble, endless straight torque curve, superb engine, well balanced, I can go on. Really a dream to ride. I've owned it for about a year and 1/2 and put 2500 miles on it.

I have owned my classic since 2007 (bought it new) and have put 33K miles filled with multiple-day rides across the southwestern states and in Europe. So it's more than doable with the right suspension, (I have olhins shocks in the back and showa forks from an S4R and a comfort seat), but it's still slightly back breaking.

the DS1000 is a thing of beauty, the power delivery is super smooth and it's plenty quick. However if you're after the "rocketship" feeling, it will tap out eventually. Having said that it's more than anyone could ever need on public roads, it's robust and simple, and requires less maintenance than the more complex testastretta.

My only reticence with taking the 999S on a multi-day ride is the fear that it may not make it without any problems. Not to say that the bike isn't reliable, it's really never given me any issues, but it's more fragile and frankly, not designed for touring. Maybe that's all in my head.

300+ miles a day on the naked classic will test your neck, so you might want to explore a screen option.

For the use you describe I would look for an SC, but basically I think you really need both bikes to be fully happy. ;) If you're considering a Walt Siegel then you can certainly afford both.
 

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Thanks for the feedback guys. Please keep them coming.

Looks like the 900SS is definitely out of the contention. I looked at a few 900ss's for sale locally and most of them either had frame cracks beginning to show or frame cracks that had been fixed (and these were mostly 95 and above bikes). I didnt consider the 1000ss (thanks for the ideaChris)..and will read up more about it

The SC is a unique proposition for me because unlike the PS (which I have ridden once) the ergos can be tweaked a little bit with bar risers and rear sets. That isnt possible on the PS because of the faring intereference. The thing that gets me about the SC is that I will still need to cough up another $4-5K bring it up to snuff on the handling front (wheels, forks, rear shocks, dampers, aluiminium tank, etc). It will still likely hold its value in the long run but I dont speculate and I prefer to ride my bikes

The 999 seems to have divided opinions as a commute/ city bike. I heard feedback on my other post as well that the 999 gets very hot and will be a bitch to ride plus it has iffy electricals..some other folks posted that its a breeze to ride.

The SFS seems pretty lucrative to me at this point with the exception of its wonky fuelling and the same tank expansion issue that plagues the SC. It has the insane motor, the suspension and it feels like a bike with a lot of character.

If any of you is based in the SF Bay area and has one of these bikes and wouldnt mind giving me a chance to ride it..I would love to meet up. You can take my R1200GS for a spin :p
@Air_Cooled_Nut, chris900ssie: On the Walt Siegl mod, I am pretty certain that I will go that route only if I get a 900ss or a 1000ss (which is a pretty good idea as well). The 999R is too nice a bike to be cafe'd and the SC pretty much nails it (with the exception of the arse) in my mind for a naked cafe bike. The SFS is a different animal for cafe racer transformation. Aesthetically I am from the school of thought that a good cafe bike should have the tank, seat and tail in one horizontal line parallel to the ground. I dont think the frame of the SFS would allow that without a frame change. And there is a certain edginess to the SFS design which in my limited vision doesnt lend to a cafe conversion. I dont think I will go the Walt Siegl route for the 999 or SC or the SFS

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Oh and one more thing..assuming all things equal between two bikes (both having maintenance records or both not having maintenance records) how many miles is too much on a aircooled and watercooled Duc engine?

My hunt is turning up bikes in the 10 - 15K mile range. Not sure if this is too much..especially for a high strung engine like the 999R and SFS

Thanks.

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First off, yes, sorry for leaving this out, the 999 will burn your left inner thigh in traffic. Not a good commuter bike. Plus you'll go from 1st gear to second gear at 50MPH, so definitely not a good city bike... it begs to be unleashed and you'll be frustrated. However, if you're in SF, Skyline would be a good place to go open it up. In terms of iffy electricals... I keep mine of a tender to make sure it starts every time, and the kickstand/clutch safety switch works when it wants to. Sometimes I have to have the clutch engaged and kickstand up to be able to start. but no other issues.

One of the fine gents on this forum mounted Monster-style Rizoma bars on his red classic and it looked very cool, that did wonders to the ergos for him. Maybe that's really the way to go for you. depending on what route you go for the upgrades I would factor closer to $6K. Getting an SC now is pricey too, they are scarce.

In terms of mileage it all depends on the service records. 15K is not a ton of miles on either bikes. My 999 has 18K and runs perfect and my classic has 33K and runs perfect, but I maintain them on the suggested intervals and squeeze another fluid change in between. Neither had any major failures, just the usual wear and tear and a few expected mishaps. Actually, I did have to replace the valve guides on my classic. It was done under warranty, and usually shows up at around 15K miles so something to be aware of. Later models don't have that issue.

anyway that's all I got. good luck!
 

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If you are genuinely serious about retaining Walt's services then frame cracking is the least of your concerns.
He will either fix it or build a new frame.
If it's a custom air cooled project you are looking for then the 999 is off the page
I would use the DS1000 as a platform not the 900 and go with a big bore kit and 12:1 Pistal pistons.
Obviously you have the funds so send the heads to J Precision, the crank to Ben Fox, and top the engine of with race cams get 110+hp.
BST wheels braktech rotors, drop as much weight as possible This would be ideal.
 

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If you were looking at buying parts from Walt Seigel, I believe he has stopped doing this, or at least restricting who he will sell to. I was speaking with the guys from Shed X, and they indicated he is restricting who he will sell parts to.

But that aside, having seen his parts, the frame looks tiny, so tightly wrapped around the engine you could not make it any smaller !!! And beautifully made.
 

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I was torn between a similar choice: keep my sport 1000SE, get a 999 or a Streetfighter. I liked the look of the sport1000, the motor in the 999 and the aggressiveness and rawness of the streetfighter, and the only bike out there than can give you the retro looks (in my opinion better looking than sport 1000), has the same motor as a 999 and is even more raw than a Streetfighter is the Monster S4RS. It is an absolutely amazing bike and they are becoming rarer and more desirable every day. So there is that route for you as well. Personally, I would not recommend the sport 1000 for what you are after. I had one for a few years and know all about that bike. It's for posing, that's about it. It's not fast, it doesn't handle and you can't improve it enough to compare to a 'good' handling 'fast' bike, unless you spend a ton of cash. They look cool, that's about it. I will probably be shot for saying this on the SC forum :).

Anyway, there is another take for you.
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Personally I found my sport (when it was stock) to be very comfortable over long distances. The seat is wide and supportive and at speed the air supports your chest. I usually have tank bag which can also give you a break on long boring stretches. But I find it horrible as a commuter/in-town run about.

ps. biposto clips are significantly higher than the Paul Smart or monoposto.
I'm of slender build so unless I'm going well beyond the legal USA highway speed limit there is no wind holding me up. I find it a better bike for the back country roads and mountain curves and that's where one can't travel at highway speeds. Although I changed the sprockets so it behaves at lower speeds better than the OEM setup.

...It's for posing, that's about it. It's not fast, it doesn't handle and you can't improve it enough to compare to a 'good' handling 'fast' bike, unless you spend a ton of cash. They look cool, that's about it. I will probably be shot for saying this on the SC forum :)...
As shown by DR, different opinions are vast. "Fast" and "handling" are all relative and highly subjective because compared to the bike I came off of -- a naked '81 Goldwing -- this bike is incredibly fast and nimble! Posing eh? Isn't that what all Ducati owners buy there bikes for? >:)
 

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I was torn between a similar choice: keep my sport 1000SE, get a 999 or a Streetfighter. I liked the look of the sport1000, the motor in the 999 and the aggressiveness and rawness of the streetfighter, and the only bike out there than can give you the retro looks (in my opinion better looking than sport 1000), has the same motor as a 999 and is even more raw than a Streetfighter is the Monster S4RS. It is an absolutely amazing bike and they are becoming rarer and more desirable every day. So there is that route for you as well. Personally, I would not recommend the sport 1000 for what you are after. I had one for a few years and know all about that bike. It's for posing, that's about it. It's not fast, it doesn't handle and you can't improve it enough to compare to a 'good' handling 'fast' bike, unless you spend a ton of cash. They look cool, that's about it. I will probably be shot for saying this on the SC forum :).

Anyway, there is another take for you.
Cheers.
I do think you have a good point in terms of the S4RS being the right bike that ticks all the boxes. That's actually a very good suggestion, however while it's obviously a faster and better handling bike than the SC, the frame and wheel base is still a monster and makes for a totally different bike and ride.

The SC is undeniably cool and beautiful, and perhaps that can make it a bit of a poser bike for some, but I would consider its limited bone stock equipment an opportunity to customize it and make it unique rather than a limitation. If bang for your buck is what you're after we'd all be riding Yamaha R6s...

but yes, the S4RS is a sick bike.
 

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Hi everyone

I just wanted to drop in a note of thanks for all the advice. I decided to go with my heart and just bought a sport classic with 6800 miles on clock. :). Pretty stoked. Huge thanks to JC at pakbikes for helping me out with it. Opening a new thread with pics and ideas for mods. See you guys there.

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Congrats! Just a word of warning about dealing with JC: He has too many goodies and will quickly separate you from your money! :grin2:
 
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