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Not sure if this falls in scope with the similarly titled thread, so here's a new one!

I too have been pondering this eBike eventuality for a few years, half loathing, half anticipating the actualization of such a machination. I remember sitting on Honda's prototype thinking 'Where's my clutch? My gears? The roar and rattle of the thing I so adore? There's FIRE in there dammit!!, it's supposed to be hot!' Then, I unleashed a Homer Simpson-esque wail of subjugation.

Then again, one test report I read stated something along the lines of 'it felt like the hand of god was pushing me along the road'. Or something such. That sounds kinda fun! Like flying without all the baggage.

Unsurprisingly, I cling to all my Bevels, but I do have a couple Belts in the garage too. Hhmm. Perhaps there is some room for... wires(?). That new eDuke certainly looks cool. And it won't run outta gas will it!

Of the potential offerings manufacturers have(that I have seen at least), they all seem to be direct challenge to litre bikes; the biggest, the fastest, et al. This makes sense of course, its gotta be better than the best, or its no good. A technological regression if you will. The Twin killed the Single, and Ducati didn't look back.

My question; is this then, also the death of the sub-litre motorcycle? Assuming we still refer to it as a motorcycle. What will the new classes(if any) be like?

Certainly not a displacement-based dinosaur. Maybe KW? HP? A or AAA battery size?

What do you think?
 

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No vroom vroom, no sale. That’s what I think. It will be an appliance. If it’s really fast it will be like a carnival ride. I can’t see it being practical without a usable range. I will look at electric motorcycles with sadness and disdain. It’s like those little shitbox turbo cars. Sure they’re fast, but they’re still a little shitbox. Nothing you can do will make them not a shitbox. So it shall be with electric bikes.
 
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What do I think?

I think you should reserve judgement until you’ve ridden one.

When I give my Zero a workout in the twisties, I can hear the tires working on the asphalt!

Also, 116 lb*ft of torque, RIGHT NOW! :)

(BTW that electric Duc causing all the stir here is powered by Zero.)
 

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Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to ride one!
Spensersdad, how is the Zero SR??
 

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All energy flows according to the whims of the great Magnet.
 

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Of the potential offerings manufacturers have(that I have seen at least), they all seem to be direct challenge to litre bikes; the biggest, the fastest, et al. This makes sense of course, its gotta be better than the best, or its no good. A technological regression if you will. The Twin killed the Single, and Ducati didn't look back.
I don't really see the direct challenge to litre bikes.....?

Currently manufacturers of BIG engined bikes (and cars) are just squeezing the last few drops of milk from a dying cow, or if you will, cashing in before the big engine show is over, the game is up and they know it.

With the new ISA (Intelligent Speed Assistance) legislation coming into effect in 2022 in Europe there will just be no more need for big fast bikes (or cars), seriously, who is gonna spend $20k+ on a 200hp bike if said bike is forced by GPS to keep to the speed limit and records every move the rider makes on the black box underneath the seat.

Of course the legislators are doing this in the name of road safety but it also perfectly tracks the new green narrative, all those new greener smaller engines (forced to keep to speed limits) followed by more and more electrics is going to be so much cleaner......, they say.......

NO, I think we will just need to get use to it, the time of the (big) combustion engine is over, the only people still insisting on big gas burners are stubborn stupid consumers and the manufacturers that profit of off their stupidity.

That been said, the current lineup of new bikes on offer leaves very little to be desired, seems that every manufacturer has shares in the plastic recycling industry, now they are starting to add wings on everything with 2 wheels for g_d sakes, maybe they all copied some code from Boeing, big ass engines with small little wingies.....

I would love to buy a new bike but the more I Iook at it the more I think my next bike will be an electric, what besides showing of can I do with a 200hp 1000cc motorcycle anyway?
 

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if said bike is forced by GPS to keep to the speed limit and records every move the rider makes on the black box underneath the seat.
I don't want to live in that world.
If I was young I would probably be on the warpath against it. Die mofos die!
Regardless of the odds of winning. :alien:
 

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Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to ride one!
Spensersdad, how is the Zero SR??
My SR is fabulous! Very compact, about like a first gen. Suzuki SV650, nice upright riding position. Handling is very sharp, especially after climbing off the rangy Ducati. It is heavy for its size, but I only notice the weight when wheeling it around, or lifting it off of the side stand.

Top speed is limited to a little over 100 mph, so it’s not fast, but it’s very very quick. I’m pretty sure it would run away and hide from my ST3 or my VFR up to about 70 or 80. :grin2:
 

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I don't want to live in that world. If I was young I would probably be on the warpath against it.
I hear you, thing is the young generation is on a warpath for it, their future is social where transport is public and not private, we old people are just failing to connect the dots, whilst we loud all these new tech in transport we fail to realise that humans en masse will just not be allowed to share the same roads with autonomous vehicles, I think we are the last generation to experience the freedom of the open road on the backs of the last machines with any kind of soul.

“We’re developing a new citizenry. One that will be very selective about cereals and automobiles, but won’t be able to think.” Rod Serling
 

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I am not sure I am as bleak about the future as some, Most millenials I know who do ride trend more towards the vintage bikes as they are more about the culture and street cred than owning a electric scooter. Yes scooters are cool to some (mods vs rockers part 2) but some want to be motorcyclists who are more involved in what they are doing.

I see no problem with the electrics as there is room for new vehicles and I always like to try something different. Yes I own scooters and would consider these new electric scooters, they just will not replace my motorcycles.

There are some (maybe many) who just want to get on and ride without doing anything and that's fine but I see it as a stepping stone for those afraid to ride a more complex machine. To each his own , bring them on our future is bright.
 

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The tracking and recording is a whole other ball game, isn’t it ? They’ve been sneaking it into the vehicles for a while now,though if you’re carrying your phone you were already being traced anyway. OnStar, on board nav, Big Brother , all different terms for the same thing. Zoom in on your house from Google Earth and remind yourself how much better than that the government spy satellites are. Speed limited vehicles are becoming more inevitable every day. Enjoy it while you still have it , folks, because it will be gone in your lifetime.
 

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Lol yes they have tried the same thing in the past, remember the 85mph speedometers? because after 85 you really don't need to know .

There have been power limited unlockable upgrade bikes since the 80's IIRC in Japan. New bikes often have power restricted by the ecu and un locked for racing (just like swapping modes from rain to race). I think this is more about selling cheap upgrades to end users while only making one engine. Just business not evil plots.

I would imagine they will continue to unlock bikes for track use and yes you will find speed limits as soon as some can get it by with enough votes. Since the average street bike is capable of outrunning police it only makes seance to allow them to shut your bike off in a chase or restrict its speed to allow an easier catch. Nothing too hard to imagine if they decide to do it, maybe they will or will not who knows. As a gun owner I already find parallels with 200hp superbikes and scary black rifles, the public will simply be asked "who needs one of those?" The majority of riders will then say "not me!" and then they restrict power/speed.

But not all is lost as the youngsters are going to do what youngsters do and they will come up with high tech workarounds to hack the technology and before you know it your new electric scooter will be able to run at max power and speed with none the wiser. meanwhile the old duffers on Urals will still not be able to reach the legal speed limits because they are just to slow...>:)
 

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First the dry clutch, then the trellis frame,
then fly by wire, then the v4, now electric, what happened to the icon once everyone looked up to?
Will there be an R version of the zipper?
 

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They can still do upgraded suspension and whatnot for an R version, whether it is electric or gas.

To me, the ride by wire is transparent. It works the same as a cable throttle as far as I can feel and see. I'm OK with electric, I think, but the over regulation is what I don't like. Don't tread on me with your freaking laws.
 

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The (urban, rent paying, public transit riding, mostly millennial) future is electric. And good for them, there is more than enough room on this big rock for people to live very different lifestyles. For those of us who don't live in a city core, electric vehicles, be they two wheeled or four, continue to make not much sense. In ideal conditions, the energy density of a lithium ion battery is about 15% that of gasoline. The colder it gets, the lower that number goes.

For motorcyclists, the limits imposed by batteries will further cement public perception that our vehicles are little more than toys, instead of the mode of transportation they should be seen as. That's not a future I'm eager to see, but it's probably where we're headed.
 

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People need to stop listening to this crazy A.O.C. woman--she is Bat $hit crazy, --I promise she sleeps upside down
 
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^^^

It is only her lips moving, the speaking comes from a much greater power behind her, connect the dots...remember?
 
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