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it's hard to take any company or web page seriously when they have such a childish web page....:(
 

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Very intresting idea..

He had better copyright that ASAP
 

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not so much a copyright, as patent

a copyright is only for written material, a patant covers design
 

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JDuc said:
it's hard to take any company or web page seriously when they have such a childish web page....:(
i'm not that anal i guess and i'd assume he's more interested in developing his rotors than a webpage...good for him and maybe eventually, good for us.
 

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amullo said:
Very intresting idea..

He had better copyright that ASAP
from the website:

"The patent for "Counter-Rotating Brake Disc For A Motorcycle Wheel Assembly" was
applied for in July 2003

Patent number: US 6,918,467 B2 was issued on July, 19 2005"
 

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That guy is gonna be rich.

Racers would love that thing. We're probably going to see more lower lap times if it is adopted.

Instead of fighting/focusing on overcoming the gyroscopic effects during turning, they can focus more on being fluid.

I think this will be a motorcycling breakthrough.
 

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chiromikey said:
i'm not that anal i guess and i'd assume he's more interested in developing his rotors than a webpage...good for him and maybe eventually, good for us.
IMO, if you're truely serious, you would take the time, or pay someone, to design a web page that reflects the quality of your design.
 

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you think it'll stick? seems like he's adding mass and complexity. of course he's running on what looks like superlight wheels too. whats in the hub? gears? lube/oil? sounds like more stuff to take care of, break, heatup, and maintain. i'm no racer so i don't know how bad the gyro effect is vs the added complexity. i kinda like the idea that my rotors are fixed to the wheel. if something happened to that hub (gears jam, gets loose, breaks), would i lose front brakes? interesting though.

maybe i'll patent super latex tires for motorcycles like they use for mountainbiking. superlight and cuts down the weight farthest from center. :)
 

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you think it'll stick? seems like he's adding mass and complexity. of course he's running on what looks like superlight wheels too. whats in the hub? gears? lube/oil? sounds like more stuff to take care of, break, heatup, and maintain. i'm no racer so i don't know how bad the gyro effect is vs the added complexity. i kinda like the idea that my rotors are fixed to the wheel. if something happened to that hub (gears jam, gets loose, breaks), would i lose front brakes? interesting though.
I thought the exact same things, but didn't say anything for fear of being riddiculed. BUT! since someone else said it, I'll agree...hehe

and I still think the web page is a poor example of trying to sell a product (idea).

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Open the website, and it's like taking a colorblind test.:eek:
 

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He's an engineer for cyin out loud not a web page designer...and that's why he has a patent on that gizmo instead of copyright'd javascript :)

If they lighten up the gears with titanium maybe it would stick, pricey but light and strong. I'm sure they're not using up all that horsepower they could maybe sacrifice some.

I think they win the races in the turns right? Just where this gizmo would give them an advantage.

And that's the first iteration, just think what comes down the pike.
 

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okay guys...FOCUS! i did NOT post this to debate his website design. i'd really like to get opinions on the product/design/theory. i'll be frank, if you're not smart enough to form an opinion of something besides shapes and colors please post somewhere else.
 

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you think it'll stick? seems like he's adding mass and complexity. of course he's running on what looks like superlight wheels too. whats in the hub? gears? lube/oil? sounds like more stuff to take care of, break, heatup, and maintain. i'm no racer so i don't know how bad the gyro effect is vs the added complexity. i kinda like the idea that my rotors are fixed to the wheel. if something happened to that hub (gears jam, gets loose, breaks), would i lose front brakes? interesting though.

maybe i'll patent super latex tires for motorcycles like they use for mountainbiking. superlight and cuts down the weight farthest from center. :)
yes there's added complexity but VERY little. i mean it's only a few gears. compare that to a tranny. in that light it seems simplistic and pretty easy to manage. it will have to be bulletproof to prevent possible catastrophy.

i'm no racer either but i can tell you that switching to lightweight wheels was like losing 100lbs. off of the bike when it came to transitioning. i couldn't imagine what it would feel like to reduce that even further!!!
 

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And the effect on a much lighter GP bike will be even more significant...

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Yeah, this will be big!
I think the next step will be for manufacturers to create a similar system of their own so they will not have to pay royalties/licensing...
 

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And the effect on a much lighter GP bike will be even more significant...



I think the next step will be for manufacturers to create a similar system of their own so they will not have to pay royalties/licensing...
I don't think they can steal this easily. There's really not much more you can do to copy the concept AND make it different enough to get another patent awarded to you. You can't get any more simplier then gears.

They'll have to wait until the patent runs out but by then, he would have made a killing.

This has ramifications outside of racing as well. Touring bikes will no doubt want to add this technology to their list of options.

He's a very lucky man/company.
 

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He's an engineer for cyin out loud not a web page designer...and that's why he has a patent on that gizmo instead of copyright'd javascript :)

If they lighten up the gears with titanium maybe it would stick, pricey but light and strong. I'm sure they're not using up all that horsepower they could maybe sacrifice some.

I think they win the races in the turns right? Just where this gizmo would give them an advantage.

And that's the first iteration, just think what comes down the pike.
If I'm a potential investor, and I see how little time he spent to design his marketing...it would make me wonder.

Now, as to the insult on my intelligence. Completely uncalled for. I retort with the notion that if you can't think broad enough to see where I'm coming from then maybe you're the one who needs to have your intelligence reexamined.

;) :D

Now, onto the brakes, this could be seen on production bikes, all it would take is for him to sell the right to use it on x# of bikes from a manufacturer.
 

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JDuc said:
Now, as to the insult on my intelligence. Completely uncalled for. I retort with the notion that if you can't think broad enough to see where I'm coming from then maybe you're the one who needs to have your intelligence reexamined.

;) :D
uncalled for?...maybe. BUT, where you "were coming from" was completely off topic taking the intent of this thread along with it. web designers, potential investors, and color blind people need to start their own thread.

regardless, i was just pointed toward the discussion i was hoping for:

http://www.speedzilla.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18570
 
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