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Maybe the market is just realizing they were over priced for a while and correcting.
I never really did understand why these were selling for more then MSRP so quick.

They sat on showrooms for YEARS unsold, and then all of a sudden they were collectible.
 

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RE; young'ns these days.

A study was done very recently, it asked elementary schools kids what they wanted to be when they grew up ... both in China and in the U.S.

The Chinese kids' #1 response (by far) is to be an astronaut.

The U.S. kids' #1 response by a very long shot was to be a You Tube vlogger.

The western world is truly doomed. Our kids are idiots. Our college kids are brainwashed Marxist morons. Yes ... indeed, truly doomed.

Regarding bike sales, yea ... Harley is struggling to find themselves. Most manufacturers are going with more and more computer junk on their bikes. I think the visceral raw excitement and "social rebel" appeal of bikes is all but dead due to bikes becoming too homogenized and over-controlled. Not only that, but the overall "risk avert" attitude of younger folks drives them to vehicles with fourteen airbags, self-parking, self-braking, self-lane-holding features with what is essentially their social media tablets mounted in the dash.

One other thing; any number of medical studies show that testosterone levels in modern adult males has dropped by over 60% when compared to most middle aged and senior aged men when they were the same age.

These issues may be contributing to the weak bike sales.

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RE; young'ns these days.

A study was done very recently, it asked elementary schools kids what they wanted to be when they grew up ... both in China and in the U.S.

The Chinese kids' #1 response (by far) is to be an astronaut.

The U.S. kids' #1 response by a very long shot was to be a You Tube vlogger.

The western world is truly doomed. Our kids are idiots. Our college kids are brainwashed Marxist morons. Yes ... indeed, truly doomed.

Regarding bike sales, yea ... Harley is struggling to find themselves. Most manufacturers are going with more and more computer junk on their bikes. I think the visceral raw excitement and "social rebel" appeal of bikes is all but dead due to bikes becoming too homogenized and over-controlled. Not only that, but the overall "risk avert" attitude of younger folks drives them to vehicles with fourteen airbags, self-parking, self-braking, self-lane-holding features with what is essentially their social media tablets mounted in the dash.

One other thing; any number of medical studies show that testosterone levels in modern adult males has dropped by over 60% when compared to most middle aged and senior aged men when they were the same age.

These issues may be contributing to the weak bike sales.

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Isn't that the friggin truth. I was a in a BMW dealer a few mos ago and the sales guy - an experienced BMW guy - noted that the new bike sales are predicated on the increasing amount of new, whiz bang computer crap hung on the bikes. The bikes have to have it to sell. The things, like the cars today, are little more than rolling laptops. I design and build scale flying models and feel like a dinosaur these days. Nobody wants to get their hands dirty or has a sense of wonder as to how to make something or how things go together or work. The "thinking" part of leisure activities has been removed from society.
 

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It's my humble opinion, and a lot of you guys aren't going to like this, and violently disagree just because you don't like it... But the Triumph modern classics have put a serious dent in the value of the Sport Classic.

As a person who at one point considered a Sport Classic, I quickly squashed that idea because Sport Classic owners think their bikes are made of gold. They are not. Meanwhile a used 2016 Triumph Thruxton R is is going for $10K, and it's just as much bike with just as much style and more performance.

Here's where everyone declares the Sport Classic a special bike, the Thruxton R garbage, and guys like me don't understand. I understand alright... that some people don't have a grasp how the market works, what their bikes are worth, and judgement is seriously clouded by misty water colored memories.

It's just an opinion. I'm sure some of the other points you guy are making factor in. But for the Sport Classic in particular, it is definitely in competition with the Thruxton R.
 

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It's my humble opinion, and a lot of you guys aren't going to like this, and violently disagree just because you don't like it... But the Triumph modern classics have put a serious dent in the value of the Sport Classic.

As a person who at one point considered a Sport Classic, I quickly squashed that idea because Sport Classic owners think their bikes are made of gold. They are not. Meanwhile a used 2016 Triumph Thruxton R is is going for $10K, and it's just as much bike with just as much style and more performance.

Here's where everyone declares the Sport Classic a special bike, the Thruxton R garbage, and guys like me don't understand. I understand alright... that some people don't have a grasp how the market works, what their bikes are worth, and judgement is seriously clouded by misty water colored memories.

It's just an opinion. I'm sure some of the other points you guy are making factor in. But for the Sport Classic in particular, it is definitely in competition with the Thruxton R.
I have a Thruxton R and it's the bike that Ducati should have built.
 

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Maybe the market is just realizing they were over priced for a while and correcting.
I never really did understand why these were selling for more then MSRP so quick.

They sat on showrooms for YEARS unsold, and then all of a sudden they were collectible.
Two things that helped drive up the sport Classics prices years ago were the Cafe Racer craze and the
Tron Movie tie in both are now fading and the prices have been falling as well. If you go back 7 years
ago you couldn't find one for sale and if you listed one it sold in days.
 

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Maybe the market is just realizing they were over priced for a while and correcting.
I never really did understand why these were selling for more then MSRP so quick.

They sat on showrooms for YEARS unsold, and then all of a sudden they were collectible.
Two things that helped drive up the sport Classics prices years ago were the Cafe Racer craze and the
Tron Movie tie in both are now fading and the prices have been falling as well. If you go back 7 years
ago you couldn't find one for sale and if you listed one it sold in days.
This is likely the truth, combined with the aforementioned, feminine like males of this new generation and their lack of desire to ride.
 

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I think some might want to set away from a few YouTube channels and take off the tin foil hats......

There is not so much an issue with people not wanting to ride motorcycles as much as the issue is the manufactures are not making a lot of appealing products.
Sure the latest and greatest 200+hp monster is appealing, but is it really that much more appealing then a 200+hp monster bike that is years old? Or the even cheaper 180+hp versions of the same bike 10 years ago?
There really has not been much "improvement" in long time. Sure electronics make the bikes more usable and safer, but that feeling in your gut when you twist the throttle is not that much different. So why bother buying new?
The manufactures have also shot themselves in the foot by failing to market their more interesting options in better ways.
Look at the Vitpilien (spelling?) husky 701. EPIC specs and a really good/fun street bike. They packaged it in a really appealing shape.....but want $2000 more then the same spec bike from KTM....WHY?!?!?!?
It really turns people off.
Then there is the hipster bait marketing of the Ducati Scrambler.....did Ducati not know that the Hipster movement is over?
FAIL.
Dont even get me started on the new supersports....

I guess my point is that the move for most is to just buy used. No real point in spending the money on new.

People are spending money in the ADV sector for sure.

But back to the sport classic.
It really did not have very appealing specs, the bike is basically an old monster with nicer to look at body work.
Makes sense that as tastes change, so does the value.
Bike was not made to be limited production, they just didnt sell well
 

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I had discussion with someone on another forum, about rare vs just not popular. He was stating that a particular bike that was only made for a few years was considered rare. I told him not really, it just didn't sell well when produced so that is why they stopped making them. In his mind that made it rare and worth more than any reasonable person would pay. I just told him it is still the same unpopular bike and not worth double because it was only made for a couple years. People like to throw that word rare around......

I think some might want to set away from a few YouTube channels and take off the tin foil hats......

There is not so much an issue with people not wanting to ride motorcycles as much as the issue is the manufactures are not making a lot of appealing products.
Sure the latest and greatest 200+hp monster is appealing, but is it really that much more appealing then a 200+hp monster bike that is years old? Or the even cheaper 180+hp versions of the same bike 10 years ago?
There really has not been much "improvement" in long time. Sure electronics make the bikes more usable and safer, but that feeling in your gut when you twist the throttle is not that much different. So why bother buying new?
The manufactures have also shot themselves in the foot by failing to market their more interesting options in better ways.
Look at the Vitpilien (spelling?) husky 701. EPIC specs and a really good/fun street bike. They packaged it in a really appealing shape.....but want $2000 more then the same spec bike from KTM....WHY?!?!?!?
It really turns people off.
Then there is the hipster bait marketing of the Ducati Scrambler.....did Ducati not know that the Hipster movement is over?
FAIL.
Dont even get me started on the new supersports....

I guess my point is that the move for most is to just buy used. No real point in spending the money on new.

People are spending money in the ADV sector for sure.

But back to the sport classic.
It really did not have very appealing specs, the bike is basically an old monster with nicer to look at body work.
Makes sense that as tastes change, so does the value.
Bike was not made to be limited production, they just didnt sell well
 

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I had discussion with someone on another forum, about rare vs just not popular. He was stating that a particular bike that was only made for a few years was considered rare. I told him not really, it just didn't sell well when produced so that is why they stopped making them. In his mind that made it rare and worth more than any reasonable person would pay. I just told him it is still the same unpopular bike and not worth double because it was only made for a couple years. People like to throw that word rare around......
While true in some cases and perhaps in this one, there are a number of cases where unpopular bikes become collectable, notably the 888 and early year BMW R75 among many others. The 888 was around for 2-3 years and didn't sell, mainly because of 916 rumors. Many 888's were sent back to Italy and the frames that Ducati had produced were used for the Monster. The R75 came out in '71 with chrome side panels on the tank and the "faithful" hated the thing as being to garish - essentially not boring enough for them. Both of these bikes were unpopular and didn't sell in the years they were available and are now collectable.
 

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While true in some cases and perhaps in this one, there are a number of cases where unpopular bikes become collectable, notably the 888 and early year BMW R75 among many others. The 888 was around for 2-3 years and didn't sell, mainly because of 916 rumors. Many 888's were sent back to Italy and the frames that Ducati had produced were used for the Monster. The R75 came out in '71 with chrome side panels on the tank and the "faithful" hated the thing as being to garish - essentially not boring enough for them. Both of these bikes were unpopular and didn't sell in the years they were available and are now collectable.
It is true that some things don't sell well in period, but as time marches on they become appreciated more.
Those tend to fall into the "ahead of their time" category.
I think that is not the normal outcome though.

The other thing to deal with in regards to rare, is the actual size of the market.

When Ferrari makes 300 of some special car, but there are 1,000 people in the world with the ability to buy it.....the prices stay strong.
It is both rare, and something with a demand.

Morgan does not make a tone of cars each year, but there really isn't a huge demand for them. So prices do not go up at all.
They are rare, but supply/demand is about equal.

Same thing holds true in the "vintage" motorcycles.
I have owned some very rare bikes, but some have been so special and rare that there are less people that care about them then bikes built.
So for that it was rare, but demand was not there.

Most limited production bikes still depreciate as they end up just being seen as "used" for a while.
That is what always made me wonder about sport classics.
They were not rare.
They didnt have demand when new.
 

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I had discussion with someone on another forum, about rare vs just not popular. He was stating that a particular bike that was only made for a few years was considered rare. I told him not really, it just didn't sell well when produced so that is why they stopped making them. In his mind that made it rare and worth more than any reasonable person would pay. I just told him it is still the same unpopular bike and not worth double because it was only made for a couple years. People like to throw that word rare around......
Hahah, that is so true. For the most part, there is no such thing as rare. There is only unpopular, and low production as a result. As a frequent craigslist comber, I always have to laugh when I see a low production bike that nobody wants declared as "rare" and listed as a selling point.

Sure there's a few instances where a certain item has a production run sold out in advance with intentionally no other production run done. "Artificial scarcity" I think that's called as a marketing technique. That counts as rare. But if a bike had EVER sat on a showroom floor waiting for a buyer, that's not one of those special rare items.
 

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I have found that a lot of people dont even know what a sport classic or GT is, so feel its only the people that know about them want one, a few bikes advertised but not sold, i have been watching severel GT's, including mine, so apart from cheap ones i dont think they are moving
 

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I have found that a lot of people dont even know what a sport classic or GT is, so feel its only the people that know about them want one, a few bikes advertised but not sold, i have been watching severel GT's, including mine, so apart from cheap ones i dont think they are moving
That makes total sense right now.
As pointed out there are MANY options for bikes that give the same riding experience and aesthetic for the same (if not much less) money.
These other options generally come on a newer and more modern bike.

I think many see the sport classic as more of a style exercise on a Monster at this point, not a really unique bike.


*I tried to buy a left over 2006 in 2009.
Dealer messed me around and it actually kept me away from Ducatis for almost 10 years when I moved away from that dealer.
 

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I think many see the sport classic as more of a style exercise on a Monster at this point, not a really unique bike.
This would have been O.K. (apart from the goofy rear suspension changes) if it had been done right.

Ducati shot itself in the foot I feel, when they got too far away from the original design.

The GT Classic was made to be sold in higher numbers at a lower price, and had cheaper components as a result. This is all well and good, but the bike was such a cobby looking vehicle when you walked up to it that it turned many potential buyers off. Retro bikes with the proper proportions sell OK, even when equipped with cheaper suspension pieces. Ducati couldn't sell enough GTs to help amortize the rest of the line as a result.

Jut my opinion, so don't get too wrapped around the axle about it. But compare the 2005 GT to a '75 750 GT...sleeker lines on the older bike.




 

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This would have been O.K. (apart from the goofy rear suspension changes) if it had been done right.

Ducati shot itself in the foot I feel, when they got too far away from the original design.

The GT Classic was made to be sold in higher numbers at a lower price, and had cheaper components as a result. This is all well and good, but the bike was such a cobby looking vehicle when you walked up to it that it turned many potential buyers off. Retro bikes with the proper proportions sell OK, even when equipped with cheaper suspension pieces. Ducati couldn't sell enough GTs to help amortize the rest of the line as a result.

Jut my opinion, so don't get too wrapped around the axle about it. But compare the 2005 GT to a '75 750 GT...sleeker lines on the older bike.




Great comparo - I have often wondered how Ducati could have screwed up the styling of the new bike so badly. As these pics show, the engine is essentially the same as is the frame. Would it have really taken that much more effort to do it right?
 

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Great comparo - I have often wondered how Ducati could have screwed up the styling of the new bike so badly. As these pics show, the engine is essentially the same as is the frame. Would it have really taken that much more effort to do it right?
I don't know why you guys bashing on the GT, its a great looking bike and I would choose it over the old school one any day. Yes, in its stock form it looks kinda cheapo and not as slick, same could be said with a lot of bone stock bikes straight from the factory. But with a few tasteful mods I think it has a lot of potential.
 

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I don't know why you guys bashing on the GT, its a great looking bike and I would choose it over the old school one any day. Yes, in its stock form it looks kinda cheapo and not as slick, same could be said with a lot of bone stock bikes straight from the factory. But with a few tasteful mods I think it has a lot of potential.
They are not bad bikes (at a price)
Just at this point they are almost 15 years old, and the market has a tone of other good options.
 
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