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Hey guys,
Thank you again for helping with all my questions. I just bought a wrecked 959 panigale and decided to try to rebuild. I have been with out a Ducati for a while which makes me less then happy lol
It is a 2016 959 with supposedly 9k miles (dash was missing) damage is to the front and left side. I brought her back today and hooked up a dash I had. Got the bike to run but the dash is flashing like a christmas tree. The check engine, abs, N indicator, and revs are all flashing. Tried to use a different ecu and abs black box. None of it makes a difference. I did some research and it looks like the front and back abs sensor is worth replacing (ordered already) Any other ideas?

Also need some parts: Headlight, headlight bracket fairing stay, heatshield cover for exhaust that goes under the seat in the back, front fairing.

Thanks again in advance, here are some pics.
 

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Mystery deepens, found some wires that were cut. Connected them together the only thing that happened was the emergency lights are on and wont stop.
 

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Some one say something positive and helpful.
Lol, not looking for positive as I signed up for a headache for sure, but helpful would be nice. I am assuming replacing the wiring harness wouldn't be a bad idea if its already cut up in at least one spot. But any direction of what to look for would be awesome.
 

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This may not help, but when my Hayabusa dash started flashing crazily it turned out to be a bad battery. The battery checked between 12.6 and 13.1 volts but could not crank the bike and all was cured with a new one.
 

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As complex as computer controlled motorcycles are, there are any number of things that could be causing the problems. Sensors, sensor wires, various wiring shorted to ground, many many other possibilities.

The battery is an easy place to start.
 

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I am pretty sure my battery was ok, and bike started right up with it. But just in case I ordered a new one. Also ordered a wiring harness as that could definitely be an issue if I am not seeing other wires that were damaged maybe.
Any other suggestions?
 

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I am pretty sure my battery was ok, and bike started right up with it. But just in case I ordered a new one. Also ordered a wiring harness as that could definitely be an issue if I am not seeing other wires that were damaged maybe.
Any other suggestions?
You've got a good start with the direction you're headed. Probably best to begin there and see where that takes you.

Full disclosure; there is a consensus among some within this membership that insists I have no idea what I'm talking about most of the time. You need to know that.
 

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Get a wiring diagram. That will help.

I do have a lack of knowledge on these bikes, and had a nice long look at the 959 when I was at the stealership last week, but I think there is a compatibility issue between ECU and Dashes not originally mated with the ECU+electronics. Someone clear this up for me so I know the facts.
 

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From my research I believe any dash from a 959 should work with a 959. I tried switching the ECU and ABS black box and made no difference. The weird part is the bike starts. So it must be an issue with the wiring, sensor, or cluster I am assuming. Will be getting a new cluster, battery, and abs sensors (front and back) soon.

The N indicator is flashing, Check engine and triangle indicator on, rpm flashing and does not rev up when twisting throttle, and the indicators on the right that say abs etc are also flashing with lines.
 

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From my research I believe any dash from a 959 should work with a 959. I tried switching the ECU and ABS black box and made no difference. The weird part is the bike starts. So it must be an issue with the wiring, sensor, or cluster I am assuming. Will be getting a new cluster, battery, and abs sensors (front and back) soon.

The N indicator is flashing, Check engine and triangle indicator on, rpm flashing and does not rev up when twisting throttle, and the indicators on the right that say abs etc are also flashing with lines.
... fuddup ...
 

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From my research I believe any dash from a 959 should work with a 959. I tried switching the ECU and ABS black box and made no difference. The weird part is the bike starts. So it must be an issue with the wiring, sensor, or cluster I am assuming. Will be getting a new cluster, battery, and abs sensors (front and back) soon.

The N indicator is flashing, Check engine and triangle indicator on, rpm flashing and does not rev up when twisting throttle, and the indicators on the right that say abs etc are also flashing with lines.

Doesn't look like the dash needs replacing, although it's impossible to diagnose a bike over forum.....

Hope you got it cheap, there's some cash to spend on that especially if you want it back on the road (I assume you do as you're after a headlight?) it would make a good track bike candidate......

I believe you're right, the dash isn't paired to the ECU anymore, likely you will need a new front loom, if it comes as a seperate part, i think it does????

The ABS lights will flash until you ride off so ignore those, the rest of the display i would hold off on replacing until you have confirmed continuity and function of all the sensors, ABS, wheel speed (on the front wheel especially) as well as on the engine. In fact, first thing i would do before spending a dollar is strip it of all bodywork and tank, all damaged parts, lay them out and catalogue them and then check ALL the wiring, front to back as well as inspecting and checking fasteners etc. Get a workshop manual that has a good wiring diagram that you can understand and look for any dodgy work, there's a RAM mount so chances are there are home done splices for power that will need to be fixed maybe.

If you're not pedantic and fussy start getting that way, crashed bikes hide a lot and hold secrets, best to find them when it's in bits than when you think it's right and you're flat out in 3rd....
 

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Mystery deepens, found some wires that were cut. Connected them together the only thing that happened was the emergency lights are on and wont stop.
Those do not look cut... those appear to have been connected to a terminal post, or bound together in some combination with a twist on connector. I would be very careful randomly connecting these to see what happens... you could easily damage the ECU/BCU by doing so.

Your best bet is to get the Ducati shop manual for this year and model and check the wire harness schematic for details on how these things were originally connected.
 

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They were cut, I stripped the wires to connect them back together. Looks like wiring harness was pinched in that spot.
 

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Doesn't look like the dash needs replacing, although it's impossible to diagnose a bike over forum.....

Hope you got it cheap, there's some cash to spend on that especially if you want it back on the road (I assume you do as you're after a headlight?) it would make a good track bike candidate......

I believe you're right, the dash isn't paired to the ECU anymore, likely you will need a new front loom, if it comes as a seperate part, i think it does????

The ABS lights will flash until you ride off so ignore those, the rest of the display i would hold off on replacing until you have confirmed continuity and function of all the sensors, ABS, wheel speed (on the front wheel especially) as well as on the engine. In fact, first thing i would do before spending a dollar is strip it of all bodywork and tank, all damaged parts, lay them out and catalogue them and then check ALL the wiring, front to back as well as inspecting and checking fasteners etc. Get a workshop manual that has a good wiring diagram that you can understand and look for any dodgy work, there's a RAM mount so chances are there are home done splices for power that will need to be fixed maybe.

If you're not pedantic and fussy start getting that way, crashed bikes hide a lot and hold secrets, best to find them when it's in bits than when you think it's right and you're flat out in 3rd....
Ok got it, thank you. Any suggestions on where to pick up a workshop manual?

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I am pretty sure my battery was ok, and bike started right up with it. But just in case I ordered a new one. Also ordered a wiring harness as that could definitely be an issue if I am not seeing other wires that were damaged maybe.
Any other suggestions?
As you've ordered a new harness I guess you can disregard my previous comment on using the shop manual schematic to determine the OEM wire connects. So, let's move on to the process of rebuilding something like this...

If it were me, I would tear this thing completely down to it's major components, and then build from the engine/chassis out. One of your main concerns should be with the monocoque itself.





This is going to have to be carefully inspected for ANY damage, and keep in mind that it could have issues from the impact which are not readily visible. The condition of the forks/triple trees should be a good indicator of whether or not the monocoque was subjected to forces capable of creating deformation... if anything looks out of sorts with the front end, you should probably think about having the monocoque X-ray inspected. I have no idea what something like that costs but I would not be comfortable without either a new monocoque, or confirmation that this one was good to go.
 

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As you've ordered a new harness I guess you can disregard my previous comment on using the shop manual schematic to determine the OEM wire connects. So, let's move on to the process of rebuilding something like this...

If it were me, I would tear this thing completely down to it's major components, and then build from the engine/chassis out. One of your main concerns should be with the monocoque itself.





This is going to have to be carefully inspected for ANY damage, and keep in mind that it could have issues from the impact which are not readily visible. The condition of the forks/triple trees should be a good indicator of whether or not the monocoque was subjected to forces capable of creating deformation... if anything looks out of sorts with the front end, you should probably think about having the monocoque X-ray inspected. I have no idea what something like that costs but I would not be comfortable without either a new monocoque, or confirmation that this one was good to go.


This is very valid, sage advice!

Panigales are great bikes, but the design doesn't lend itself to crashing well, i was after a track bike project and the 899/959 was at the top of my list, every bike that came up at the auctions as a stat write off had front damage. It used to be the forks/triple trees that took the brunt of the impact and were expensive to replace because of that, now that cast front section absorbs a lot of the energy as well. That's great for a race team, they replace it and the bike is as good as new, no tweaked frame to straighten, but for us it's an added expense and worse, it can be hard to know if it's damaged or not....

OP needs to spend his money wisely, taking care of structural issues like this first, harnesses can be repaired, this casting can't really be repaired. otherwise it could spiral out of control and cost more than a decent 2nd hand bike.....
 
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