The SS1000DS has an Ohlins rear, so only the forks are better. And even then, it's questionable how much better they are.DucatiGal said:I believe the only better components on the PS are the adjustable Ohlins front and rear.
You're exactly right! I'm comparing the PS to the wrong bike. (Sorry, that's what happens when you get my age.st2lemans said:The SS1000DS has an Ohlins rear, so only the forks are better.
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the SuperSport or SS does not have the same wheels as any of the Sport Classics...the Sport Classics all have Wire Wheels whereas the SS has Cast Marchesini 5 spoke rims.....and the frame is similar...but not exactly the same....it is hard to tell sometimes because the trellis work looks so close...but they are not the same from the comparisons I was looking at of naked SS's to the Paul Smart....and the tires are definitly unique to the Sport Classic's only.....looks like they got those tires specifically to look close to old Metric and Bias Ply tread pattern tires of olden days so as to help sell the full retro package....geospencer said:Other than that, everything else is same – engine, frame, wheels (both bikes have the same spoked wheels), tires.
You are right, Zooom. (Read my post above yours.) I screwed up. In my first post I was comparing a PS to an SC . . . . not an SS. (It's called old age.) Wheels and tires are the same for the PS and the SC. Wheels and tires are not the same for the PS and the SS - neither is the frame. The Paul Smart and the SuperSport are definitely different bikes. The Paul Smart and the Sport Classic are pretty similar. Sorry.zooom said:the SuperSport or SS does not have the same wheels as any of the Sport Classics...the Sport Classics all have Wire Wheels whereas the SS has Cast Marchesini 5 spoke rims.....and the frame is similar...but not exactly the same....it is hard to tell sometimes because the trellis work looks so close...but they are not the same from the comparisons I was looking at of naked SS's to the Paul Smart....and the tires are definitly unique to the Sport Classic's only.....looks like they got those tires specifically to look close to old Metric and Bias Ply tread pattern tires of olden days so as to help sell the full retro package....
I'm looking at the Ducati Sport Classic brochure as we speak. The GT1000 has more upright handle bars, a pillion seat, handlebar mounted mirrors and chrome pipes (one on each side), and side frame covers above the engine (and below the seat). They both have the same wheels, tires,engine, etc. I can't tell much about the frame from the pictures. It might be longer.zooom said:yes...the Paul Smart and the Sport 1000 are in fact very similar....but the GT1000 is the black sheep of the Sport Classics....has a different frame and suspension and though we haven't see em in person yet...I'd really be curious to know what else is different!?!?!?!?!?!
being that the rear portion of the frame from the seat back is still a part of the whole frame and not a seperate subframe as it were on the SC's...and the fact that the GT1000 has passenger pegs and a dual shock rear suspension as aposed to the mono shock so that the mounting is different...it affects the math geometry of the design so that the frame would have to be differentgeospencer said:I'm looking at the Ducati Sport Classic brochure as we speak. The GT1000 has more upright handle bars, a pillion seat, handlebar mounted mirrors and chrome pipes (one on each side), and side frame covers above the engine (and below the seat). They both have the same wheels, tires,engine, etc. I can't tell much about the frame from the pictures. It might be longer.
By the way, I would love to have those side frame covers (in silver)! That's the one thing that I think is missing from the PS.
Bruce,bruce19 said:Just to be clear, I wasn't challenging anyone's decision to buy (or just plain like) a PS over a SS. But, given the mechanicals I don't see a $4K difference. I like the PS style but given my riding needs I'd probably buy a SS if it was my only bike. FWIW, on a website I can't recall, the SS was a couple lbs. lighter and made 2-3 hp more. Why? I couldn't tell you. BTW, the style thing is truly a personal thing. I get that.
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I realize at this time of year, at least outside of sunny SoCal, we all get a little bit of cabin-fever...bruce19 said:What makes a Paul Smart Replica a better bike (in any sense) than a SS 1000DS? Especially at $4K more.
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true that Spoked wheels when laced properly can take alot more abuse....but as far as cast wheels being lighter or not....it depends on the hubs and rims and how intersperced the spoke pattern is....and due to the more balanced nature of spoked wheels...there is less of a noticeable weighted gyroscopic effect than cast wheels I thinkjbcaddy said:according to a supermoto site, cast wheels are usually lighter than spoked. SM and dirt bikes use them because they take more abuse..
I agree 100%! That was my point in my first post. To me, there is no such thing as a "better" Ducati. There are "different" Ducati's but not better Ducati's. If I had the money I would have one of each. I don't so I will buy what fits my needs best. That's the PS right now. (Is it worth $4,000 more than an SS? Probably not. But if I justified my motorcycles on a rational "worth" basis I probably wouldn't own one.) In a two or three years my "got to have Ducati" might be something else. To me, that's what makes this so much fun - enjoying what you have now and dreaming about what you might get one of these days.kingcapt said:But hey brothers and sisters, who cares which is "better"? The Paul Smart (along with the Sport) are instant classics. Their styling is unique. Some will hate it. Some will love it. It doesn't really matter as long as you're happy with what you are riding.
baby bottle cleaning brush and some Castrol Super Clean makes that task really easy!geospencer said:And we can start another discussion - spoked wheels are harder to clean.![]()
I'm not really sure what you mean. Could you come over and show me on my bike?zooom said:baby bottle cleaning brush and some Castrol Super Clean makes that task really easy!