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I have the Sport Classic 1000 and installed the Termi 2 into 2 system. I made a set of larger baffles for the exhaust to get a balance of sound between the no baffle and baffled sound.

My problem is popping on decel which to me would be leaness on decel. The dealer did tell me when I bought the exhaust system that a Powercommander would probably be needed.

So since the bike is so new, there are no listing on the Powercommander site. I ordered one for the Monster 1000 with the DS1000 engine and I am hoping this will work.

Now I just have to wait for it to arrive next week and if it fits correctly, time to go have the bike dynoed :D

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I wouldnt think that you would need a PC for this. Your exhaust came with the chip and intake cover....You should be fine.

Before I went with the PC, I would tell them to check the fuel mapping one the bike. The fuel injection can be set from 1-10. They are set really low so that Ducati can bring more bikes into the country (hence all the CA emissions.) I would try bumping up the fuel injection first before going to the Power Commander. Talk to any Ducati mechanic and they will know what your talking about. I was told that a lot of the time they bump it up with the addon of a K&N.

You also might want to check out a K&N filter for it. The open-ness on the front end might help balance out the open-ness of the backend.

Just my 2c.
 

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There are alot of questions that are coming up.

First, the new European emission laws are now stricter than California. So, to cut down on cost, Ducati uses the same emissions on the US bikes as Europe.

The tech at the dealer told me that the control unit that came with the Termi kit is just an 05 control unit which does not use the 02 sensor.

Another thing I am not sure about is that the dealer can richen up the air fuel mixture but if the battery goes dead or is disconnected that the system will go back to the zero setting. If this is the case, it would be better just to go with a powercommander and just have the bike dynoed and mapped one time.

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I wouldnt think that you would need a PC for this. Your exhaust came with the chip and intake cover....You should be fine.

Before I went with the PC, I would tell them to check the fuel mapping one the bike. The fuel injection can be set from 1-10. They are set really low so that Ducati can bring more bikes into the country (hence all the CA emissions.) I would try bumping up the fuel injection first before going to the Power Commander. Talk to any Ducati mechanic and they will know what your talking about. I was told that a lot of the time they bump it up with the addon of a K&N.

You also might want to check out a K&N filter for it. The open-ness on the front end might help balance out the open-ness of the backend.

Just my 2c.
 
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i told myself i wouldnt start posting on bike chat rooms, i am a bike tech specializing in italian bikes. the set up you bought will work fine. it needs to be tuned with the ducati tool and a gas analizer. the adjustment is a corection to the base map installed into the computer-not a series of diferent maps. the ecu does convert the bike basically to an o5 system with no closed loop system. then the dealer will adjust it like it is an 05 multistrada as that is the bike with the air bypass system like what this is after the ecu. without doing the throttle body ballance, on and off idle, reseting the tps,reseting the idle, and setting the air fuel on and off idle with a gas analiser(i use a dyno with a light load) you are just running a comprimise. please dont flame me, im not trying to drum up buisness. the epa and euro rules are very strict causing ducati to deliver bikes very lean, twins dont like that. but they can be adjusted.
also, if you need a power comander for a bike and they have no listing you just need to find one with the right connectors and install a zero map. then set tps and tune it.
neither system will loose their setting if the battery is diconected!
 

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My problem is popping on decel which to me would be leaness on decel. The dealer did tell me when I bought the exhaust system that a Powercommander would probably be needed.

I got my Sport back from the dealer on Saturday after it's 600 mile service. Nothing wrong, belts stretched a bit, fresh Motul, 3.5 hours labor... total: $377.

Included in that was a little tuning to cure my popping. It happened when slowing, like yours and even died on me twice (creeping towards a traffic light and abrubtly shutting the throttle and grabbing the clutch... revs dropped to quickly and it died). They richened the mixture and it's all better now. I have the 2-into-2 Termi's with the baffles out, but there should be plenty of range to fix your popping. I must admit though, it sounded kinda cool :eek: .

According to the tech, 85hp at the wheel. (I didn't think to ask for the printout. Duh.)
 

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i told myself i wouldnt start posting on bike chat rooms, i am a bike tech specializing in italian bikes. the set up you bought will work fine. it needs to be tuned with the ducati tool and a gas analizer. the adjustment is a corection to the base map installed into the computer-not a series of diferent maps. the ecu does convert the bike basically to an o5 system with no closed loop system. then the dealer will adjust it like it is an 05 multistrada as that is the bike with the air bypass system like what this is after the ecu. without doing the throttle body ballance, on and off idle, reseting the tps,reseting the idle, and setting the air fuel on and off idle with a gas analiser(i use a dyno with a light load) you are just running a comprimise. please dont flame me, im not trying to drum up buisness. the epa and euro rules are very strict causing ducati to deliver bikes very lean, twins dont like that. but they can be adjusted.
also, if you need a power comander for a bike and they have no listing you just need to find one with the right connectors and install a zero map. then set tps and tune it.
neither system will loose their setting if the battery is diconected!

Hey you! Please stick around! Your spelling sucks ;) but your knowledge and willingness to share it are very much appreciated!
 

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DMN is correct - all settings must be reviewed from scratch. With the Mathis/Technoresearch tools there's a "reset TPS" procedure that must be performed if the ECU is changed. The TPS is not loosened and rotated like the "old" Ducati's, now the TPS is simply reset to a zero point via the software interface. The throttle bodies and then especially the airbleeds MUST be dialed in for proper airflow/CO balance (TB's set for cracked throttle airflow, airbleeds for idle airflow and CO balance). Then, CO level (mixture) must be set at the right level (4-6% I believe for idle CO). Then proper CO balance at Idle needs to be checked again at idle. The factory tools (tubes) attached to each header are invaluable for this procedure. If you're simply inserting a CO meter into the tailpipe, the CO balance attributed to each each cylinder will be difficult to discern.

Another thing to consider with a idle/dying issue is the automatic idle control found on the newer Ducati's. The device could be sticking or not functioning at an optimum level (quick enough response) which could cause the motor to stall. Again, the Mathis/Technoresearch tools have diagnostic capabilities where they can test the IAC (Idle Air Control). They can also view/clear diagnostic codes recorded by the ECU. But, the stalling could be as simple as bad fuel or a bad connection somewhere - even on a new bike. May want to check belt tension/cam timing (with proper cam lock and crank lock tools when adjusting belt tension) and check valve clearences.

I'd focus on setting up the ECU and throttle bodies correctly - don't waste time with the Powercommander - especially if it doesn't allow for raising the rev limit or if it doesn't allow for revising the ignition timing. Usually a Ducati Performance ECU will revise both the rev limit and ignition timing (more aggressive) - you can't beat all the development time devoted to the DP ECU compared to only a couple hours on a dyno with a powercommander. Also, what the Powercommander tuner might not tell you is that if you DO reset the TPS, throttle bodies, airbleeds etc the Powercommander will need to be remapped as the mapping created for the unit is only for how the bike is set up at that moment! Same goes if adjusting belts, doing a valve adjust etc. That's one of the reasons racers have their Powercommander maps checked/adjusted at each track - not only to suite the local environment, but also to optimise for any engine maintenance/upgrades between races.
 

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This is outstanding information! One quick question for the ECU techs. Would every Ducati Tech know this? If I took my bike to a local dealer and asked for an optimized setup for my local conditions, would your average tech know how to run the Mathis/Technoresearch tools, and are they available at most shops? I don't think I'll be investing in the Mathis/Technoresearch tools for personal use, however it sounds like someting every shop should/would have.
Thanks in advance,
Tom
 

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wa6usa said:
This is outstanding information! One quick question for the ECU techs. Would every Ducati Tech know this? If I took my bike to a local dealer and asked for an optimized setup for my local conditions, would your average tech know how to run the Mathis/Technoresearch tools, and are they available at most shops? I don't think I'll be investing in the Mathis/Technoresearch tools for personal use, however it sounds like someting every shop should/would have.
Thanks in advance,
Tom
Tom: There are several shops between you and me that have the right equipment. Where did you buy your PS?
 

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Tom: There are several shops between you and me that have the right equipment. Where did you buy your PS?
Hi Beans,
Mine is an interesting story, the PS1000 was bought at GP Motorcycles in San Diego. The original owner drove it 40 miles and hated the riding position! I saw it on Craigslist at an unbelievable price, and grabbed it.
I think it was destiny that I should have this bike, the current price of $14.995 was out of reach for me at the time, but the guy wanted out of the PS1000 badly, and I scrounged up the dough to get it. I'm thinking of trying the dealer in Escondido to do my tuning, it's an hour away and if I go thru Idlewild and hang a right on 79 south it's all twisties till I get there. Looks like a great ride! This would be a really important job, with the Zard's it should breath good and I can imagine the bike running extremely well with a good tune. That is why I'd like to take it to the shop with a good tech that's familiar with Mathis/Technoresearch tools.
 

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I haven't used GP--that's the Escondido dealer, isn't it? If you decide to head North instead, I recommend SoCal Ducati in Brea, CA, (714) 256-6700. Talk to TJ and tell him that I sent you. They do great work and have the right equipment--very reliable.
 

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I haven't used GP--that's the Escondido dealer, isn't it? If you decide to head North insted, I recommend SoCal Ducati in Brea, CA, (714) 256-6700. Talk to TJ and tell him that Greg Pinto sent you. They do great work and have the right equipment--very reliable.
Thanks for the tip! I'd rather have it done right than take a chance on an unknown tech. Now if those Zard's would show up, I'll be ready.
 
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