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Hi just an update on our Ignitech projects.

Hall Effect Kits
The Hall Effect kit has now been shipping for a a few weeks and I am hopeful that some of the customers who have already purchased a kit will soon post feed back in this forum.

FCR TPS mounting kit
I was unhappy with part of the original design (even though I am currently using it on my bike) We put the project on hold while we completed our Hall Effect ignition system project, which we have now done.

I had a concern that one of the parts of the kit that we were 3D printing in plastic may not prove robust enough and might fail.

We are now in the process of looking at the best way to manufacture the replacement part for the bit I was unhappy with. We are either going to 3D print the replacement part in titanium or CNC machine it out of alloy.

Hope to have some more news on these within two weeks.

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I've got my hall effect hardware installed but not running yet.
With everything installed, plugs removed and grounded I'm only able to get spark by holding the starter on. I don't get spark by either turning the back wheel to turn the motor, or by manually rotating the "disc with the magnets in it"
So what I'll be doing is manually positioning the disk somwhat close, and then using a timing light with adustable advance to see how far off I am, and then gradually adjusting the disk and dialling it in.
All of the hatdware Liam has provided is of good quality and seems to be very sound design. Unfortunately I just haven't had the time to devote to getting it all set up as I'm preparing for an overseas trip in a couple days. I wont be able to finish and get out for a test ride for 2 or 3 weeks...
 

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I've got my hall effect hardware installed but not running yet.
With everything installed, plugs removed and grounded I'm only able to get spark by holding the starter on. I don't get spark by either turning the back wheel to turn the motor, or by manually rotating the "disc with the magnets in it"
So what I'll be doing is manually positioning the disk somwhat close, and then using a timing light with adustable advance to see how far off I am, and then gradually adjusting the disk and dialling it in.
All of the hatdware Liam has provided is of good quality and seems to be very sound design. Unfortunately I just haven't had the time to devote to getting it all set up as I'm preparing for an overseas trip in a couple days. I wont be able to finish and get out for a test ride for 2 or 3 weeks...
Limey you should be able to get a full strength spark by either rotating the disc with the magnets in it either quickly or at a glacial speed. The gap between the pickups and the disc is established in the design and components and is non adjustable. Unlike inductive pickups the speed of the trigger past the pick ups and the gap between the trigger and the pickups is immaterial to signal strength.

Seems likely you have some other issue. Are you using one of FastBikeGears' Hall Effect tuned Ignitech units or a standard Ignitech unit with our recommended interface?
 

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Liam, I read somewhere that the kit only fits certain cam belt covers, and the correct Ducati part number was listed. Can you please post that cam belt part number here for future reference, or PM me. Thanks.
 

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Liam, I read somewhere that the kit only fits certain cam belt covers, and the correct Ducati part number was listed. Can you please post that cam belt part number here for future reference, or PM me. Thanks.
JAFA sorry for the long delay in replying. I have been out of the country on extended Christmas leave.

I can confirm that the kits fit 1991-1997 & 1998 F.E Ducati SuperSports and Monsters using the same motor. It may be that the kits also fit some of the subsequent models of cooled Ducatis but we haven't had the chance to confirm this yet.

The 3D printed Hall Effect mount fits over the central cam belt cover (item 6 in the attached diagram. Part number 245.1.006.1AB) and the rotor mounts to the the Timing bolt follwer item 15 in the attached diagram. Part number 255.1.001.1B)

Note it is quite common for Ducati to change the last alpha numerics in their part number to designate different colour options for a plastic part.
 

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On another note. Sometime ago we did a TPS kit for bikes fitted with FCR carburettors and Ignitech ignition systems. While the first design worked well and is fitted to my bike and a few friends bikes, the design did not offer a foolproof fitting and I was only happy to supply them when I could fit them myself and ensure that they were installed correctly.

After several months of attempting to come up with a solution my designer had a 'eureka moment' (Not sure if this occurred while he was in bath as it did for Archimedes). Anyway we have made a couple of prototypes of the new design that we will be testing these over the next few weeks on a couple of bikes to ensure that we haven't overlooked anything.

Once we have done this I will update this thread and our web site.
 

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Thanks Liam. I actually picked up a complete set of belt covers from Nick Anglada 2 days ago ( in case I screw up drilling the hole for the rotor ), so now I'm right to go. Will look forward to the TPS when it's ready.
 

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Thanks Liam. I actually picked up a complete set of belt covers from Nick Anglada 2 days ago ( in case I screw up drilling the hole for the rotor ), so now I'm right to go. Will look forward to the TPS when it's ready.
Looking forward to hearing your feed back on the Hall Effect kit?
 

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FCRs and Ignitech

Like Liam in NZ, I import and sell the TCIP4 here in the USA.

At one time I was going to also offer some FCR upgrades and one of them was lighter pull springs.

I sourced some from a KTM specialist who was making them for the KTM bikes.

He couldn't make enough $$ and so left the MC side of things.

I can't put them on my site as I only have 2 sets and he's not going to make anymore.

So posting here for the folks who are planning to go to a TPS as when you do that you have pretty much gotten to the point where you can install the springs with no added effort.

$37 for a set with postage to USA address.

PM me to discuss,

Thanks,

M./
 

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Like Liam in NZ, I import and sell the TCIP4 here in the USA.

At one time I was going to also offer some FCR upgrades and one of them was lighter pull springs.

I sourced some from a KTM specialist who was making them for the KTM bikes.

He couldn't make enough $$ and so left the MC side of things.

I can't put them on my site as I only have 2 sets and he's not going to make anymore.

So posting here for the folks who are planning to go to a TPS as when you do that you have pretty much gotten to the point where you can install the springs with no added effort.

$37 for a set with postage to USA address.

PM me to discuss,

Thanks,

M.
Why would you need lighter pull springs?

I saw in an earlier post that you mentioned something about the extra drag of the TPS, but the TPS units have no friction/drag and so do not increase the effort required to either roll on or roll off the throttle?
 

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Why would you need lighter pull springs?

I saw in an earlier post that you mentioned something about the extra drag of the TPS, but the TPS units have no friction/drag and so do not increase the effort required to either roll on or roll off the throttle?
Some people like a lighter pull, there are 2 springs so for someone with any wrist issues it might be something to think about.

Also, some people prefer a quicker throttle.

I just threw it out there in case someone could use them as I have just had them on a shelf.

BTW, how are you sensing the position of the throttle is there is no physical contact?

I've assumed the TPS were a specialized rheostat and there is a drag on most of those.

M./
 

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Some people like a lighter pull, there are 2 springs so for someone with any wrist issues it might be something to think about. I just threw it out there in case someone could use them as I have just had them on a shelf.
Gotcha

BTW, how are you sensing the position of the throttle is there is no physical contact?

I've assumed the TPS were a specialized rheostat and there is a drag on most of those.

M.
yes there is a physical contact between the TPS spindle and the throttle mechanism but the rehostat's physical resistance to turning is Extremely light and has no internal spring mechanism, etc. No one could tell the difference between the throttle action on a bike fitted with one versus a bike not fitted with the TPS we use.
 

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Personally, I'm not fond of the drag of the 2 throttle cables / high return spring tension on racked FCRs - particularly when compared to an injected bike. Some have switched to a single cable 748 throttle. The trick, of course, is to find/build a throttle tube with the correct cable take-up for the FCRs. This will be my next step, perhaps with different springs.
 

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Looking forward to hearing your feed back on the Hall Effect kit?
Yes I can't wait to put it all on either!! Got to get the bikes' import inspection done first so I can get it registered, then there's the small matter of moving house and setting up my garage, renovating and selling my old house, then it'll be all systems go. To many non bike things demanding my attention at the moment unfortunately :crying:
 

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Some have switched to a single cable 748 throttle. The trick, of course, is to find/build a throttle tube with the correct cable take-up for the FCRs. This will be my next step, perhaps with different springs.
I have a 916 throttle assembly on my (split single) FCRs which I fitted for the fast idle setting to help with cold running. It reduces the throttle action significantly to the point where it is too quick but fitting a (916) G2 throttle tamer tube; G2 Street Tamer Throttle Tube - G2 Ergonomics was a big improvement.

Now it is about the same action as my 916 which has an Electraeon fast throttle cam; Electraeon Fast Throttle Cam for Ducati motorcycles. so quicker than stock but just about perfect IMO.

I had to make (modify the motion pro) a new cable which does away with the closers and the FCRs are still heavier due to the springs but it works well.
 

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Making TPS progress...

After seeing eightFORTYeight's method of attaching a TPS sensor to the FCRs, I knew I had to do something similar. Using 8mm drill rod, I had a local fabrication shop mill the TPS adapter. I ordered the TPS sensor from Igniteck. The mount is inspired by many of the mounting brackets seen throughout this thread.



After determining the proper clocking of the TPS adapter, I removed the slide rod from the FCRs and slotted the end using a cut off wheel on the drill press. It sounds crude, but it worked surprisingly well! After cleaning up the slot with a file, I soldered the adapter to the rod. Brass brazing or welding would be stronger, but this is a low stress application. It should be fine.



Here it is, all together. Next up, wiring (which should be easy) and testing.

 

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The install is done and I've been for my first ride. The wiring was simple, particularly given that Liam spelled out the process in his Ignitech Manual. The set-up was simple, as well. Again, thank you Liam. I used Liam's 3D map from page 5 as a starting point, as his Frankencati is built similarly to my FE. My 2D map was a bit aggressive in spots and I was getting detonation under load in some situations. I'd held off doing any additional tweaking of the map because I knew I'd be installing the TPS. So, is the TPS and 3d map better?

First impressions: Damn! Why didn't I do this a long time ago??? The engine feels smoother, throttle response is crisper, and performance up to redline is just better - much better.

Overall, the build was much easier than anticipated. And, the results seem to well worth it! I'm wondering how much better it will get with a bit of tuning?

I am happy :grin2:
 

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I have been following this thread from afar and have not kept up on the pricing of these upgrades.

What is the full tally for everything?

Thanks,

M./
 
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