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Need advice on fork upgrade hypermotard 1100 evo sp

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Andreaz

Discussion Starter · 3 mo ago

Hi,

I need a better front fork setup on my 1100 evo sp, 2011. High speed compression is no good.

I would love to modify the stock suspension and keep the marzocchi internals, but I can't find much information online.

I need an affordable solution, a piston/shim upgrade or modification would be good. I'm pretty light weight, so the stock springs are not a problem yet.

I'm about to rebuild the forks and put some motul 5wt oil in them to help with high speed compression. But I want more!

Any suggestions?

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jettech

· #2 · 3 mo ago

Talk to the guys at orient express and get some Ktech cartridges
, and it will be cheaper doing it one time , it’s the tru fix

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Andreaz

Discussion Starter · #3 · 3 mo ago

True, K-tech is supposed to be good, but it's expensive and I don't think it's the best solution. The Marzocchi forks are actually great quality, nice machining, light weight and looks good, I don't want to pay an large amount of money on something that could be fixed, if it can be fixed ...

Thus. Any options with stock cartridge that I could try except going for lighter oil?

jettech

· #4 · 3 mo ago

It’s just the K tech internals you get to keep the black chrome sliders and the black anodized fork tubes. The only way you know that K tech is in there from the top fork caps.
It is the only solution because the OEM cartridges cannot be rebuilt that has been discussed before on this forum

Andreaz

Discussion Starter · #5 · 3 mo ago

I had a go with Öhlins NIX 30 on my 848 last year, but it was not worth it in my opinion. It made for good stability in breaking. But not much improvement in other areas. I would rather spend money on something else.

I think K-teck is about the same as the NIX 30s, but at a better price point. I really don't think it's worth it if I could make the Marzocchis just a little bit better.

I've found this kit from Matris: Fork upgrade kit Ducati Hypermotard 1100 Matris FRK

And this piston kit from Andreani: Front fork piston kit for DUCATI HYPERMOTARD 1100 SP 2013

I'm sure it should be possible to modify the stock cartridges, even though they are not rebuildable as fitted. I just can't find muc øh information. I guess I'll just have to open them up and see what's there

Andreaz

Discussion Starter · #6 · 3 mo ago

jettech said:
It’s just the K tech internals you get to keep the black chrome sliders and the black anodized fork tubes. The only way you know that K tech is in there from the top fork caps.
It is the only solution because the OEM cartridges cannot be rebuilt that has been discussed before on this forum

How is it these forks can't be rebuilt? Looks like a pretty easy job to open them up, removing rebound piston and compression shim stack holder.

If there isn't anything very special with these, we should be able to modify them, I guess.

fastgas

· #7 · 3 mo ago

You'll probaby have better luck swaping Ohlins from the newer 9xx Hypers. From what I can gather they're considerably lighter than the Marzocchi parts too.

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cs363

· #8 · 3 mo ago

My vote goes to the Andreani cartridges, had them on several bikes now (2 with Marzocchi's) definitely a good bang for buck. IME K-Tech stuff seems to be more race oriented and over sprung and stiff valving for road use.

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Andreaz

Discussion Starter · #9 · 3 mo ago

What about panigale Showa BPFs? Lower triple is 57mm, top one is way smaller, but I can make spacers. There might be a length issue here ...

I do have some panigale 50mm Marzocchis in my garage, I will go and have a look at the length of them

Griffc13

· #10 · 3 mo ago

'08 Multi 1100S; Ohlins FG fork: Stem, triples, and bearings same as Gen 1 Hyper, no? Should be a clean fit and a rebuildable set available used online.

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Andreaz

Discussion Starter · #11 · 3 mo ago (Edited)

Panigale 1299 base models Marzocchi 50mm forks has the same 57 and 58mm mounting to the triples as hypermotard 1100 evo sp, but they are 10 centimeters too short. I did not plan to mount these on my hypermotard. As far as I know the Show BPFs has the same 58mm lower mount, but has a smaller top mount. This would not be a problem to fix. But the length is an issue. I don't tink there is any superbike forks that are long enough for our hypermotards.

So a fork replacements has to come from multistradas or hypermotards.

I'm not sure of the 1100s multi, I guess they will fit. The 1200s mutli has about the same length as my hypermotard, and a 57mm top triple tree mount. Lower mount is the same 57mm, but that is an easy fix.

I would love to get some öhlins forks at aprox. EUR 500 and fresh them up myself. It might be better for street riding and good enough for some ligth track usage too.

edit: fixed some spelling

Edit2: going from electronic to manual adjusted is EUR 400 in parts, damn.

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polyesterpig

· #12 · 3 mo ago

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Andreaz

Discussion Starter · #13 · 3 mo ago

polyesterpig said:
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I've read so much negative reviews on those cartridges. I don't think think they are any better then the Marzocchi internals.

My best bet is k-tech or öhlins from a 1200 multistrada it seems.

Andreaz

Discussion Starter · #14 · 2 mo ago

So, It seems like my stock left Marzocchi fork is dented in the outer fork tube, making stiction in the last part of the stroke. The dent is small, and I noticed it first after I installed new seals and was about to fill the fork with oil.

Long story short. I have a fully refreshed right fork, and a fully refreshed left fork with a dent in the outer fork leg for sale. If anyone needs Marzocchi forks, message me please. Right fork is for parts only. The forks comes with fresh seals and 5wt Motul oil.

I'll go for the multistrada 1200 öhlins. Older multistradas has axial brake caliper mounts and is about the same price. Dimensions seems to be perfect for the 1200 öhlins, I'm not 100 percent sure if its 57 or 58mm lower mount diameter. And I might need a set of 320 brake discs, a new axle nut with corresponding shim. The wheel spacers seems to be correct. Front fender needs custom mounting or replacement.

The multistrada öhlins are electronicly adjustet for rebound and compression. I thinkl it's what they call NIX internals. I will have to fix manually adjusters later.

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Andreaz

Discussion Starter · #15 · 1 mo ago

I’ve just learned that the multistrada forks are nix25. But I’ve heard good things about the 25mm setup. I’m receiving a set of them this week, and I am looking forward to try them on my hypermotard.

Fingers crossed!

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Andreaz

Discussion Starter · #16 · 5 d ago

Ohh

The front axle has to be switched to the larger diameter right hand side 1098/mts1200-style. I just ordered one. The axle itself is still 25mm. I didn’t know that there was a difference
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polyesterpig

· #17 · 5 d ago

Did you use your original triple clamps? If you did. Did you have to modify them? Thanks

fastgas

· #18 · 4 d ago

huh...but now you're kind of right back where you started with incorrect valving and springs.

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Andreaz

Discussion Starter · #19 · 17 h ago

@polyesterpig yeah, stock setup on the tripples

@fastgas I don’t think the springs are way too soft, and the valving is easy to modify. I’ll try with the stock setup first, we’ll se where it goes from there.

hypermotard is a bit lighter, so I guess the valving is okey for my use. I might opt for 70mm/N springs.
I’ve got the manual comp and reb adjusters from WRS

fastgas

· #20 · 14 h ago

Andreaz said:
@polyesterpig yeah, stock setup on the tripples

@fastgas I don’t think the springs are way too soft, and the valving is easy to modify. I’ll try with the stock setup first, we’ll se where it goes from there.

hypermotard is a bit lighter, so I guess the valving is okey for my use. I might opt for 70mm/N springs.
I’ve got the manual comp and reb adjusters from WRS

IDK, the multistrada weighs at least 100lbs more than a hyper and it has stiffer springs to accommodate somewhat for gear/passenger/bags. I'm guessing the springs are too stiff and the valving to control them is anyone's guess.

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