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I to see the same thing with BMW's that I work on --if they are ridden and maintained it's a hell of a lot less expensive to keep them in nice running condition then it is to try to resurrect one that was abused before it was parked in the corner for way too many years. The most expensive motorcycle you will ever purchase is the one you got for a fraction of the price that it is really worth---This is especially true for those that cannot diagnose & repair the bike themselves
 

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the first half of this year i had a real run of been sitting for years resurrections - f1, st2, 900ss, mts1000. for varying reasons they all ended up around $5k - pretty much the value of all except the f1. my estimates going in were probably in the 2k range. just a mess when every single thing you touch is a problem. it's very unsatisfying work, and even though i lose money the customers are pissed off with the price.
 

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the first half of this year i had a real run of been sitting for years resurrections - f1, st2, 900ss, mts1000. for varying reasons they all ended up around $5k - pretty much the value of all except the f1. my estimates going in were probably in the 2k range. just a mess when every single thing you touch is a problem. it's very unsatisfying work, and even though i lose money the customers are pissed off with the price.
I here ya! It seemed like every time I went way out of my way to do an extra good job, and even charged far less than I should have (sometimes below cost) it almost never went appreciated. For that matter sometimes they'd even bitch about something, even though I spent 2x the billable labor that I actually invoiced them for. It got to where I became uninterested in doing anyone "beyond expected" work.
 

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I know what you mean. I had a reputation for working on old bikes , many times where there wasn’t a dealer or good parts source. I enjoyed bringing them back to life. I didn’t charge anywhere near the going rate . I did more than I was asked, fixing small items I found wrong as I went. People who don’t work on them have no idea what it takes to get a bike that’s been in storage back on the road.
 

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I am done with giving 50% of billable time away, yes I still give away far too much but these days i make it clear that if they want/need me to help then they need to pay what it truly costs to do the work. when I was deciding if I was going to keep doing bike work everyone said you CAN'T quit, yet I should not be paid? This is always a balancing act for any shop and it is hard no matter the business. As I told a recent customer who is spending more on his bike than it is worth.

I can work on your bike as it needs and you can pay for the work done
Or
I can do half the work for half the money
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I can do the work for half as good for half the money.

Odly enough he wanted good quality work and all of it as well.
 

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I'm the same way mate --when working on BMW's I charge book flat rate--If the bike has any accessories that must be fiddled with in any way thats extra $$$, If I run into seized fastners etc thats extra $$ as well, computer diagnostics again extra billable hours I give away nothing nor will I---I am still $40.00 an hour less then the 2 dealerships near me--so even with giving nothing away the customer still saves a bit with me on a per hour basis. I charge 15% over BMW retail on parts because I have to pay 15% over BMW cost on parts that way I keep my % margin profit on parts---I do not and will not allow customers to bring or supply their own parts because of liability laws in Florida. I make absolutely no exceptions to this policy--If the customer does not like my policy they can go elsewhere or do it themselves. This may sound harsh but I have no problem telling people that want to gripe where the door is and escorting them out --But remember what BMW really stands for----BMW= Bitch, Moan, & Whine
 

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... rates .... when I sold my business (the repair shop) in 2009 we were at $105/hr - half hour minimum ....
 

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bavarian money waster. fuck their flat rate bullshit. the day i decided i wasn't going to work on them anymore was a very happy one. i wouldn't piss on one of those pieces of shit if it was on fire. any of them.

almost got to giving away guzzi, aprilia and mv too. i have stopped working on diavels. i don't have to, don't want to, so i'm not going to. simples. might have to go back on it if i run out of other shit to work on, but i still probably lose as much work as i take on due to the wait.

imo no where near enough customers get told to stop their whining or to fuck off.
 

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... imo no where near enough customers get told to stop their whining or to fuck off....
Man that's the truth! A big part of why I quit building custom hand made audio gear (for about eight/ten or so years, starting in 2007) was after about five or six years my gear became too well known. Up to that point my customers were touring/recording pros ... very select clientele ... guitar players/bass players/Hammond players that played professionally for a living. They fully understood that custom hand made gear took a while to make, refunds were out of the question, as were returns. But once word got around about what I made, I started getting orders from the mainstream consumers. That was a major pain in the ass. Those people are so goddamed SPOILED. Free shipping, no questions asked returns, full refunds 4 weeks into the project because they didn't like a 6 week turnaround. Holy shit. I put up with it for a few years, mainly because I felt like I had a gun to my head. They'd talk major shit on forums if things didn't go just like buying from Amazon (or any other monster sized on line retailer). So I felt as though I had to deal with those morons to protect my reputation. After roughly a total of ten years, having built roughly 500 units by then, I just shut down my website and refused any further orders.

I just couldn't see myself chained to the workbench for the rest of my life, dealing with the bitching/complaining "children". I had enough, and just shut it all down. Every year or so I take on a project for a touring or recording pro as long as it pays right, but beyond that, the consumers can all just eat shit and jump off a bridge.
 

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Man that's the truth! A big part of why I quit building custom hand made audio gear (for about eight/ten or so years, starting in 2007) was after about five or six years my gear became too well known. Up to that point my customers were touring/recording pros ... very select clientele ... guitar players/bass players/Hammond players that played professionally for a living. They fully understood that custom hand made gear took a while to make, refunds were out of the question, as were returns. But once word got around about what I made, I started getting orders from the mainstream consumers. That was a major pain in the ass. Those people are so goddamed SPOILED. Free shipping, no questions asked returns, full refunds 4 weeks into the project because they didn't like a 6 week turnaround. Holy shit. I put up with it for a few years, mainly because I felt like I had a gun to my head. They'd talk major shit on forums if things didn't go just like buying from Amazon (or any other monster sized on line retailer). So I felt as though I had to deal with those morons to protect my reputation. After roughly a total of ten years, having built roughly 500 units by then, I just shut down my website and refused any further orders.
I just couldn't see myself chained to the workbench for the rest of my life, dealing with the bitching/complaining "children". I had enough, and just shut it all down. Every year or so I take on a project for a touring or recording pro as long as it pays right, but beyond that, the consumers can all just eat shit and jump off a bridge.
I have run my own guitar shop for over 40 years and worked in another guys shop for 7 years before that. Rex's post really hits the nail on the head for every one of us who works on specialty products professionally. My repair clientele think I should be able to steam the glued in tightly fit dovetail neck joint on their old Martin or Gibson guitar, remove the neck, precisely trim the heel, shim and reset the neck angle, refret it, fabricate a new saddle and do all that with zero evidence of my having ever worked on the guitar. And I can actually do that. In fact I have done it hundreds of times. But the owners seem to think that the work should cost about $200 instead of $750. And honestly the $750 price is a bargain because I always do other little tweeks that need doing that I come across during the repair. If not for the fact that I have 10 employees who I like very much and they are all young enough to need another 10-20 years of employment I would just close up shop to get away from the constant price whiners and hagglers. They will buy a guitar at a big box store because it's $20 less there and then think I should make it function properly (which the morons at the big box store don't have the ability to do) for free because they've been my "friend" for 30 years. As craftsmen our time and experience have far more value than the average consumer will ever understand or accept. Unfortunately there are no bridges with sufficient height near my store...

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My Suhr tube guitar amp got real quiet about a week ago. I tried tubes and all the simple stuff first, then posted a question about it on a guitar gear forum.
John Suhr hisself posted and said it has a lifetime warranty...send it in, we’ll take care if it.
“But I purchased it used”, says I.
“I don’t care”, says Mr Suhr. “I’ve never left a player hanging.”

So I can guarantee you there will be more Suhr gear in my future. Someday maybe even something brand new!
 

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My Suhr tube guitar amp got real quiet about a week ago. I tried tubes and all the simple stuff first, then posted a question about it on a guitar gear forum.
John Suhr hisself posted and said it has a lifetime warranty...send it in, we’ll take care if it.
“But I purchased it used”, says I.
“I don’t care”, says Mr Suhr. “I’ve never left a player hanging.”

So I can guarantee you there will be more Suhr gear in my future. Someday maybe even something brand new!
Good customer service by a manufacturer creates band loyalty. Poor customer service chases away business. The, in my opinion, poor warranty coverage I experienced with my Sport Classic fuel tank 10 years ago led me to the decision to never buy a new Ducati product again. I was intrigued by the modern SS when it came out but I bought a '96 SS last year instead. Same feelings about the new Street Fighter V4. It looks awesome and I'd love to have a bike with all the electronic rider safety stuff, but it won't be happening.
 

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My Suhr tube guitar amp got real quiet about a week ago. I tried tubes and all the simple stuff first, then posted a question about it on a guitar gear forum.
John Suhr hisself posted and said it has a lifetime warranty...send it in, we’ll take care if it.
“But I purchased it used”, says I.
“I don’t care”, says Mr Suhr. “I’ve never left a player hanging.”

So I can guarantee you there will be more Suhr gear in my future. Someday maybe even something brand new!
My gear carries the same lifetime warranty, I don't care when it was bought, or who it was bought from. If you build good stuff, you're not afraid to back it up.
 

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Well I made no progress on it today as I need the okay to do more work on the bike,costs and all. I assume I will be back on it next week but I have the 94 that needs a cylinder fixed and its fresh carbs installed first.



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The 94 needs dyno time and for me to re-install the horizontal top end and make sure tyhe oil consumption problem is gone. then I will have time to re-visit the carbs on the 1993.

Brad the slides will lift if you manually move them or blow air in the hoses well on the right side the air will move it on the left it igf not budging. I am going to guess a pinched or holed diaphragm.
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exhaust is clear and seems to flow well at 8000rpm on the dyno buy who knows if the carbs dont fix it that is one step before I touch the motor.
Jumping into the middle of the thread jack...

Another method of testing CV carbs, is (with them removed from the bike) to attach the suction hose of a vacuum cleaner to the manifold side of the carb. With the vacuum on full suck, operating the butterfly (throttle) should cause the carb slide to raise.
I wrapped the nozzle of my vacuum so it could be jammed into the front of the carbs with a good seal.
 

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Well I made no progress on it today as I need the okay to do more work on the bike,costs and all. I assume I will be back on it next week but I have the 94 that needs a cylinder fixed and its fresh carbs installed first.



View attachment 975077

The 94 needs dyno time and for me to re-install the horizontal top end and make sure tyhe oil consumption problem is gone. then I will have time to re-visit the carbs on the 1993.

Brad the slides will lift if you manually move them or blow air in the hoses well on the right side the air will move it on the left it igf not budging. I am going to guess a pinched or holed diaphragm.
jimc2
exhaust is clear and seems to flow well at 8000rpm on the dyno buy who knows if the carbs dont fix it that is one step before I touch the motor.
The image above reinforces why I love EFI.
Just add an ECU!
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I do believe injection to be superior in many ways to carburetors, maintenance is just one. Flip side is when a bike stops by with a non-oem ecu and you have no cables/software to do basic maintenance. Anyone with a set of sync gauges and a screw driver can maintain carbs but injection needs more skills and tools to keep tuned. Some are fine with either and some are NOT fine with either.
 

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