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It's sad to me but I agree that they seem to be indicating a shift away from twins for their high end bikes. It remains to be seen where they'll put the power/torque balance on the SF and Multi (presumably a balance for the SF and a torque build for the Multi). I'll be surprised if even the V4 Multi isn't at least 170hp tho. (which should allow them to deliver a very feisty midrange because by all reports the Pani V4 has a strong midrange).
I knew we'd get over this minor disagreement eventually! Respect!
 

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Starting on a V4 Honda ST1300 and then moving to a V4 BMW K1300 GT, I've been riding V4s for the past 15 years. I looked down on those who rode V Twins and swore I would never consider such a crude, buzzy, vibrating machine.

My buddies who used to ride V4 Honda ST 1300s with me later graduated to the BMW GS or GSAs. They talked about how the Honda V4 lacked "soul" and raved about the feel of BMW's twin.

I opted for a MTS DVT because of lower weight and better ergo fit. But having come from V4 engines, I now love the feel of Ducati's L Twin motor and wouldn't consider going back to the too-smooth, boring, V4 motors I rode before.

BTW, all three bikes were pretty comparable in terms of HP and Torque but the MTS is by far the most refined bike and most fun to ride (IMHO).
 

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Starting on a V4 Honda ST1300 and then moving to a V4 BMW K1300 GT, I've been riding V4s for the past 15 years. I looked down on those who rode V Twins and swore I would never consider such a crude, buzzy, vibrating machine.

My buddies who used to ride V4 Honda ST 1300s with me later graduated to the BMW GS or GSAs. They talked about how the Honda V4 lacked "soul" and raved about the feel of BMW's twin.

I opted for a MTS DVT because of lower weight and better ergo fit. But having come from V4 engines, I now love the feel of Ducati's L Twin motor and wouldn't consider going back to the too-smooth, boring, V4 motors I rode before.

BTW, all three bikes were pretty comparable in terms of HP and Torque but the MTS is by far the most refined bike and most fun to ride (IMHO).
Your K1300GT must have been a really special edition:wink2:
 

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Very special BMW that one, they have realised how good at touring the RC213V and the Desmosedici GP are, strangely enough both V4s as well.
IT could be a good way to develop more of the BMW touring range, at the pinnacle of road racing.
BMW have a long history of making V4's its part of there DNA.



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Bit of a sideways comment on Power Delivery -

Went on a rowdy ride with a couple guys from work (k1600gt and R1200GT) over the weekend. The K1600 looked like it accelerated almost perfectly linear. I could see why folks would like that - he was non-dramatically hauling ass during a couple expressway segments and the only time I could reel him in on the onramps was at WOT and in the power (so... fighting to keep the front wheel down or at least not up too much. A lot more 'rider engagement' was required on the multi... he looked like he was just out for a leisurely cruise. :)

The R1200GT was legit fast in the twisties... (and the guy was definitely more experienced than me). Obeying PA rural speed limits was... difficult. Using best practice and accelerating through corners risked expensive ticket exit speeds (not difficult when the limits are 40 and 45mph in many of the fun segments). Love PA roads... hate their nanny state speed limits on roads with no traffic and no homes.
 

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Bit of a sideways comment on Power Delivery -

Went on a rowdy ride with a couple guys from work (k1600gt and R1200GT) over the weekend. The K1600 looked like it accelerated almost perfectly linear. I could see why folks would like that - he was non-dramatically hauling ass during a couple expressway segments and the only time I could reel him in on the onramps was at WOT and in the power (so... fighting to keep the front wheel down or at least not up too much. A lot more 'rider engagement' was required on the multi... he looked like he was just out for a leisurely cruise. :)

The R1200GT was legit fast in the twisties... (and the guy was definitely more experienced than me). Obeying PA rural speed limits was... difficult. Using best practice and accelerating through corners risked expensive ticket exit speeds (not difficult when the limits are 40 and 45mph in many of the fun segments). Love PA roads... hate their nanny state speed limits on roads with no traffic and no homes.
You should try the 1260, with the combination of the 56mm extended swing arm (shifting more weight to the front end) and the stronger mid range (more linear power) I have very little trouble with wheel standing now compared to my old DVT
Ultimately not as exciting but definitely faster, as I can put a lot more power down much earlier exiting corners, very noticeable on hill climbs where the 1260 has a large advantage
 

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You should try the 1260, with the combination of the 56mm extended swing arm (shifting more weight to the front end) and the stronger mid range (more linear power) I have very little trouble with wheel standing now compared to my old DVT
Ultimately not as exciting but definitely faster, as I can put a lot more power down much earlier exiting corners, very noticeable on hill climbs where the 1260 has a large advantage
Oh I like the geometry of the 1200... while I can understand why folks would like the alternative, I enjoy having a bike that's a little bit sumo. I've also got the midrange of the 1200 to a happy place with the updates I've done, I suspect the 1260 (even stock) is a bit stronger but it's MUCH better than stock DVT's.

It's really interesting that the new S1000RR US version has that exact same midrange dip - reinforces that it was probably put there on purpose in 2015 on the Multi.
 

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“V4 BMW K1300 GT” and
“BMW have a long history of making V4's its part of there DNA.” Hogwash. If you believe that crap you should check out the V6 BMW M3.
 

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“V4 BMW K1300 GT” and
“BMW have a long history of making V4's its part of there DNA.” Hogwash. If you believe that crap you should check out the V6 BMW M3.
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Just to kick the shit out of the BMW V6 thing, they actually have built V6s, just never put one into production. They build them and toss them in the trash. They don't like them and can't prove to themselves that the packaging benefits outweigh the straight six's refinement and smoothness but they have experimented with them nonetheless.
 

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Obeying PA rural speed limits was... difficult. Using best practice and accelerating through corners risked expensive ticket exit speeds (not difficult when the limits are 40 and 45mph in many of the fun segments). Love PA roads... hate their nanny state speed limits on roads with no traffic and no homes.
I'm actually surprised to read that turn segment speed limits can land you a fine in Pennsylvania.
Even here in our "nanny" province of Ontario, "yellow" speed limit signs on ramps, exits and turns are just suggestions and aren't enforceable. It's the "white" speed limit signs of the road that are.
PS. LEO can always nail us with some other charge but that's harder for them to prove.
 

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I'm actually surprised to read that turn segment speed limits can land you a fine in Pennsylvania.
Even here in our "nanny" province of Ontario, "yellow" speed limit signs on ramps, exits and turns are just suggestions and aren't enforceable. It's the "white" speed limit signs of the road that are.
PS. LEO can always nail us with some other charge but that's harder for them to prove.
Sad to say but the 35-45mph limits are not corner speeds they're posted speeds... their rural speed limits are absurdly low so even bike cornering speeds are generally above the limit (forget about the straights).
 

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Oh I like the geometry of the 1200... while I can understand why folks would like the alternative, I enjoy having a bike that's a little bit sumo. I've also got the midrange of the 1200 to a happy place with the updates I've done, I suspect the 1260 (even stock) is a bit stronger but it's MUCH better than stock DVT's.

It's really interesting that the new S1000RR US version has that exact same midrange dip - reinforces that it was probably put there on purpose in 2015 on the Multi.
Not sure what you mean by that second part. But I can confirm that the 1260 is a beast compared to even a well sorted DVT 1200, and the stability is second to none. I started my MTS search there, at a dealer. Sold me on the model. The new geometry is a case of gilding the lily compared to others in the class. And I'm not sure service costs could get any worse than the DVT for the V4. But I only ride 6K miles per year, so I'll probably be an early adopter and already started saving for it. Not sure the engine braking which serves me so well in the urban environment will carry over but that's what test rides are for. One thing is for sure, you won't need to re-pipe and dyno tune a V4 from the off!
 

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All Ducati needs to do now is put the shaft drive on and they will have a better touring bike.
Better still put in valve springs and hydraulic valve adjusters and they would have a motor that needs very little service at all.
Valve springs and a shaft drive??? Goodbye Ducati for me.
IMO, If that type of bagger is what people want, they should go elsewhere.
Ducati is race-bread.
 

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Shaft drive? HELL NO! Tha’s like putting clogs and a paper bag on a super model. If you want the ‘shaft’, buy a bimmer. With 105,000 miles on my ‘12, I’m seriously thinking about a new MTS, but dont really know if I’d want the V4 over the twin.....probably have to ride one, but I really love the twin. Since I do all my services, the V4 will be more labor intensive....trust me on that.
 

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Valve springs and a shaft drive??? Goodbye Ducati for me.
IMO, If that type of bagger is what people want, they should go elsewhere.
Ducati is race-bread.
I actually agree with the sentiment that it would be better for sedate distance touring... but I hope they never do it. IMO we don't need another GS clone, the Multi should be a hellraiser in sheeps clothing. I think the GS is a fantastic bike... but I'd NEVER in a million years buy one over a Multistrada, even for touring... because for me the Multi is fantasticker... MUCHO fantasticker.

If they spin a V4 version of the Multi I hope they do the same thing they did with the SFv4... just tuck the 220hp Pani motor right in there and see what sort of stupidity we can all get up to with it. (if you think they actually changed the Pani motor for the SFv4... to drop it by 4hp... then I have a bridge for sale that you might be interested in... that shit is pure specsmanship and I'll be surprised if there's anything more than a minor tune change between the two bikes).
 

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I'm hoping it will be at 1200.
At the moment we have the same 81 mm bore and heads serving both the 1000 the 1100 with a 5.1 mm stroke being the difference, an additional 5.1 mm of stroke will give us 1200 and a bore and stroke of 81 x 58.6 which is still very feasible to around 13000 rpm, bring the horsepower down to around 190 - 200 but push torque up considerably
This would also allow it to pull much taller gearing and therefore more useful as a long-distance machine which a Multistrada is intended to be, while also possibly pushing out the service intervals to that of what people are use to for the multi
I think I remember reading somewhere that from the very start this new v4 engine was designed to go into more than just a Panigale, I have no doubt the Multistrada would have been one of the models in mind, as such I'm guessing (hoping) that they would have allowed for the extra stroke length in the barrels and the extra area through the crankcase for the additional stroke
Fingers crossed
 
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