Ducati.ms - The Ultimate Ducati Forum banner
  • Hey Everyone! Enter your bike HERE to be a part of this months Bike of the Month Challenge!
1 - 11 of 11 Posts

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
120 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Does anyone know what the differences are between the MTS1200 motor an the 1198S? Can the MTS be brought up to Superbike spec?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
144 Posts
Does anyone know what the differences are between the MTS1200 motor an the 1198S? Can the MTS be brought up to Superbike spec?
I'm by no means an engine expert, but I think the main differences are valve overlap, mapping, and gearing. I'm sure anything is possible. But why would you want to do that? I happen to have both bikes and I can tell you the 1198is terrible for street riding when compared to the Multi's 1198 configuration. The race 1198 has much taller gearing, worse low RPM fueling, worse gas mileage, more power up top, which is great for the track, but stinky for the real world roads. If you are after more horsepower, start with a full race exhaust system, including air filter, and race ECU.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,260 Posts
when the MTS1200 was first released there were lots of comparisons between the 1198 sbk engine and the 11degree testrastreta. if you want an sbk style ride in a street bike, the streetfighter fills that need. most streetfighter riders will tell you riding the F1198 is like taming a bull, which is one of the reasons F848 is getting good reviews.

there's a reason ducati didn't use the sbk engine in their new touring bike.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
406 Posts
More than one street-oriented SBK owner wished aloud the 11-degree motor was available in the 1198...
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
47 Posts
Why on earth would you need more than the 135ish hp that the bike comes with?
It has way more than you need..... its the perfect balance of horsepower and handling!!!!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
407 Posts
So someone asks a question about the differences between the two bikes and five know-it-all experts tell him why he shouldn't. Does anyone have a technical answer to the poor man's question?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,260 Posts
So someone asks a question about the differences between the two bikes and five know-it-all experts tell him why he shouldn't. Does anyone have a technical answer to the poor man's question?
if you could actually count, you're the fifth.

search on 1198 in this forum and the oldest post from Nov 2009 contains a pointer to an article which says this -

On the new Testastretta 11° engine, this angle has been reduced from 41°, used in the Testastretta Evoluzione engine which powers the 1198, to just 11°. As a result, the fresh inlet charge flow is less compromised by the exiting exhaust gases, resulting in a much smoother combustion in addition to improved fuel economy and lower exhaust emissions. Unburnt hydrocarbon emissions (pre-catalyser) are reduced by up to 65% and specific fuel consumption (and consequent CO2 emissions) by up to 15% (Euro3).

happy? now you can stop being the forum police.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
1,517 Posts
There are several small differences, such as different injectors, airbox, larger exhaust tubing, and gearing, things that are easily changed but amount to little gains, especially without changing everything, (most changes are dependent upon each other and work together to get max gain).
Now the biggest difference and largest HP gains are the different cams in a SBK, and while you could theoretically swap to SBK cams, but now you need new ignition curves and fuel mapping to match....So in my lowly opinion, while you might be able to physically bolt the SBK cams in, your stuck trying to update the ECU ignition tables, fuel maps to match as well, (and surely several other little minor items will come up). With enough money it is all possible, but very expensive and difficult, definitely not a bolt on operation. In the end you might end up with a less real world ridable bike...But to each their own...I personally open up as much as I can with airbox exhaust mapping etc and call it good enough. Maybe some well-heeled company might figure out all the changes necessary to switch to SBK, I doubt because of the target demographic of MTS owners and intended use…….wonder if I made any sence :think:
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
144 Posts
if you could actually count, you're the fifth.

LOL!

To add, I already said I'm not an engine expert in my earlier post. Maybe the easier more cost effective solution is to put the multistrada handle bars on the 1198, in addition to a top box rack and pannier racks.

In anycase, if you do some of the easier mods as previously suggested (race exhaust, airbox, engine tune) I think you can get the Multistrada rearwheel horsepower in the 141ish range, at least that is what I have read. I think that is what is claimed by some who run Multis in the Pikes Peak races. Lastly, I do believe I have read the rear wheel horse power of an 1198 is about 148-149 stock. I have never had either of my bikes dynoed. So don't know for sure.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
19 Posts
I, too, have both a MTS and 1198S. Both with full termi, air box, and race ECU's.. The Multi needs nothing more, a fabulous all around bike and a ROCKET!...
 
1 - 11 of 11 Posts
Top