[ottoatom]

Hi Guys,

Just joined the forum, super happy to have a place to talk about ducatis.

I bought a Ducati Monster S2R 1000 last week and have been playing around with it. I mostly use it for commuting (which I know is not its best use, but hey, I love the bike!) and have identified a few issues that I'd like to see if they are common:

- Bike has a hard time starting when cold
- A lot of noise comming from the dry clutch. I know its to be expected, but this level of noise carries on even when the bike is moving and sounds like heavy rattling and chattering. I can feel it in low revs.
- Bike stalls at red lights unless I rev it a bit when stopping.
- Clutch fluid in the master cylinder is dark, almost black.
- Clutch is a lot lighter than I was expecting, still heavy but not much more than a V7 Guzzi.


Thanks for any input!
Cheers,
otto

 

[JonS2R]

How old is the battery? It could be due for replacement. Otherwise, you can look into upgrading the battery and starter cables. That should help with the cold starting.

The clutch gets noisier as the basket wears. It has slots that the tangs from the clutch plates sit in. Those slots wear and become larger resulting in the clutch plates having more space to move around and make noise.

I'm not sure about the stalling. Does it only do it when you're in gear?

 

[ottoatom]

Hi JonS2R,
The battery is about a year old from what the seller told me. Do you mean replacing the battery & starter cables? or upgrading? didnt think you could have it different than what is specified in the manual.

The bike only has 14k miles, do you think that is enough for the basket to be worn out? Ive read around and it looks like the baskets can handle more mileage than that.. Ill have a look into it.

The stalling happens whith either the clutch on or in neutral. Never happened with a loaded gear. Also, it tends to happen when the bike is stopped. Like if I pull the clutch and gradually stop on the red light, it will only stall when the bike is stopped.

I am going to be servicing it soon I think as it hurts like hell seing that poor thing suffering like that :\ man its such a beautiful bike, cant stop looking at it

Cheers

 

[duc96cr]

You must have an open clutch cover. You can always put a closed one on to reduce noise. Also, alloy friction plates such as Barnett are quieter. There is a clutch stack height spec you must adjust. There is a Quiet Clutch Mod you can do , you can do a search on the forum for the details. You may need to bleed the clutch hydraulics, as it might not be releasing completely. Or, low clutch stack height can cause drag, causing stalling. Make sure the slave cylinder isn’t leaking, that’s common. You’ll see a little moisture or peeling paint around it if it leaks. If it leaks, replace it with aftermarket slave for reduced effort, such as Oberon. As far as the stalling, run some injection cleaner through it. Ducatis don’t crank over very fast, but if your battery tests good you can get aftermarket cables that will reduce resistance and they do help. The bike most likely has at least two ground wires. Remove them and clean the mating surfaces, it may help.

 

[ottoatom]

Wow. That's a lot of knowledge. That was a bit too technical for me and have no space to work on the bike at home :/

So I sent the bike for a full desmo service and it came back last week end. Some good things, some not great.

The bike now doesn't stall at red lights and the rear brake slave cylinder has been replaced, that's great news. Clutch plates have also been replaced and the clutch fluid bled -> now the clutch feels heavier and its harder to switch gears. Not sure if that's how its supposed to be but I preferred it the way it was before.. Still some odd noise from the clutch area, the mechanic told me the basket also needed to be changed but that wasn't urgent.

Cold mornings the bike still doesn't start right. I had to try 3 times today and it wasn't that cold.. The mechanic told me to hold the throttle for a couple of minutes in the morning to help. Is there a way to fix that?.. Doesn't sound right..

 

[Truenorthmoto]

Go for a lithium battery! Save weight and more stable

 

[belter]

Cold mornings the bike still doesn't start right. I had to try 3 times today and it wasn't that cold.. The mechanic told me to hold the throttle for a couple of minutes in the morning to help. Is there a way to fix that?.. Doesn't sound right..

ime they don't have enough enrichment for the first cranks. making the starting map richer helps.

 

[duc96cr]

Did someone knowledgeable about Ducati do the service ? Sounds as if the clutch isn’t right. It should be shifting better after the service. Incorrect stack height causes poor shifting.

 

[ottoatom]

Yes, a ducati specialist shop. tbh I think I can live with how the clutch is. I would change to a bigger slave cylinder but they told me the trade off would be a neutral position that is hard to find, so I dont think Ill be doing that.

Startup has been improving. Maybe it will pass? probably not. In terms of fuel map, the ECU was flashed by specialist guys when the former owner installed decat arrow full system. I would hope they knew what they were doing..

 

[belter]

I would hope they knew what they were doing..

there's a difference between flashing in a file and making very detailed changes to a file. not a lot of people do the latter, because they don't have specific access to the file addresses or have knowledge of what they're changing. or even the confidence to make changes. often you say to an owner "we changed something, let us know how it goes" and the owner isn't capable of providing feedback or doesn't want the hassle of being involved in an experiment or thinks you're an idiot if you can't just get it right the first time, so it can be hard to assess things as potentially individual as cold starting. some people just have to twist the throttle, for instance, no matter how many times you tell them not to.

i worked with another shop who was having an issue with a hard to start s2r1000, and we modified the starting map based on result we'd had previously with a griso. owner reported to them that it was a lot better.

 

[DuckMan]

Sorry but there is no “start up” map in the ECU for this bike. The only corrections made during startup are for temperature. Based on the temp you can modify a table that controls rpm but that’s pretty much it.


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[belter]

yeah, right.

 

[DuckMan]

Ok, I guess that means I was wrong.

Correct me if I'm wrong again. There is a table that is used to modify the actual fuel map values during the warm up phase. It's not what I would call an actual fuel map because it doesn't hold actual values that tell the injectors how long to stay open. The correction table holds a value that is a percentage applied to the actual fuel table until the engine temp reaches normal. On all my bikes that value is a default 150 and I've never had any need to change it.

 

[belter]

there is an trim table based on coolant temp and also a starting enrichment table.

 

[DuckMan]

I’m not sure which is the one that Tuneecu allows you to see/modify. But it’s the only one other than the actual fuel and ignition maps that can be edited in their app.

Oh, and I’m not trying to be picky but the S2R1000 is air cooled.


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