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Considering changing the ST3 over and am thinking of going back to a Monster.
The two I have in mind is the 2013 1100 EVO or a 2013 to 2015-ish 1200. I'm aware that the 1100 is air cooled vs liquid cooled on the 1200.

Any comments or thoughts on the 1100 vs 1200 bike?
 

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Very different bikes. The 1100evo, which I have, is much smaller physically and lighter. The power is not comparable. The evo is old school, for better or for worse. It’s my second 1100 evo as I regretted selling my first one. It is not as smooth as the newer water cooled engines, but it is easy to ride fast. In fact I sold my SF848 and kept the 1100evo. I’m 47 yo and that may mean something :)
 

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I have a 2013 Evo. It's a pretty fantastic bike. I'd had a 696 and then my SF848 for about two years but I was missing the air cooled character. I'd recommend one. Definitely retains more of an old school feel when compared to the newer Monsters but still feels incredibly fast in it's own way due to it's weight. Ultimately it really just comes down to what you're looking for. The 1200 is a great bike as well, going to have a nicer dash and feel smoother and better for touring (and gotta love that metal tank) but there's a character that comes with the 1100 evo that you don't get with the newer bike. Good luck with your decision!
 

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Not a direct comparison but I can offer a bit of insight from a recent trip that covered a pretty good range of conditions. A friend had a Monster 1100 with full Termi and factory map (model prior to the Evo), while I was on my S4Rs (previous generation water-cooled; full Arrow and bespoke map).

I rode the 1100 in touring conditions and on a good bit of road that was twisty enough to limit top speeds to 90mph or so between corners (and usually much less).

Essentially, the S4Rs felt like a luxo-barge compared with the 1100, and the chassis on mine is set up pretty well. The 1100 felt smaller and lighter, with steering much more direct and precise.

In those conditions it also felt at least as powerful, simply because there was little cause to rev the water-cooled bike past 7K, which is still below its torque peak.

OTOH the S4Rs felt smoother and more comfortable (I've a custom seat), with much more available from the engine even though there wasn't much call for it (headroom is nice to have). And it was still very good in the turns.

I've not tried a 1200 Monster, but from all accounts these extend the model further into the touring end of the use envelope, and particularly in the first iteration.

Hard to know what I would choose from your options. Probably I would lean towards the 1200, because my usage pattern is mainly the kind of multi-day trips that an ST3 or 4s would be good for. If I did mainly day trips then the 1100 would be the obvious pick. And there is also the thought that set up right, the 1100 could handle the sport-touring side very well, with more agility in the mountains and a lot less complexity.
 

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I only have experience with my 1200. But I think the 1200 has a much longer valve adjust interval then the 1100.
Also, I love it, great bike.
 

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I had an air-cooled hypermotard prior to my 1200R. Different chassis, but same motor. I love that 1100 motor. Wish it had a little higher rev limit, but it's a gem, and sounds wonderful.
The engine in the 1200R is smoother and not as raw. I'd like to get an EVO 1100 eventually (although a Tricolor S4RS is still at the top of my list).
 

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The riding position was what struck me as the most noticeable difference. Obviously the M1200 will have more power and fancy dash, however it feels like a cruiser compared to the 1100. The M1200 seemed low and long, and it felt like I was sitting inside the bike, where as the 1100 felt much more aggressive like you're right over the front wheel.

It just depends on where and how you like to ride. I like to take my bikes up into the Apache Trail Canyon roads, and it's extremely tight turns and I rarely get out of 3rd gear. I like a very flickable bike. If you like that style of riding then I'd get the 1100.

If you are going on longer hauls, and take roads that are straight, or long sweepers, then I'd definitely go with the M1200. And as said earlier, the 1100 is much physically smaller and weighs a lot less. Both bikes are good, but seem to have different purposes.
 

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It's good to hear a comparo between the S4RS and the 1100, as I've been contemplating selling my 1100 to build a first gen.

If you're going the 1100 route, I'd suggest looking at a first run of the 1100 dual spark, S model. You get the better suspension, and the OG Ducati dry clutch. I was hell bent on getting the EVO when I bought mine, but have since found I wish I went the other way. The EVO motor is for sure the best of the 2V Ducati motors, but unfortunately, they just emptied the shelves when doing the suspension. You'd think the last iteration would be the best, but it would take about $2-3K in suspension to match the EVO to the S model. It's all a matter of opinion, the 1200 looks to be a great bike as well. But the monster seems to keep going farther away from it's roots. Sign o de times I guess.
 

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Btw if it wasn’t for my VFR I would own an ST3. They are terrific sport touring bikes
Yep, I sold my 98 VFR for the ST3, and am finding that the VFR was far more comfortable for me. Maybe I'm just too short for the ST3.


The riding position was what struck me as the most noticeable difference. Obviously the M1200 will have more power and fancy dash, however it feels like a cruiser compared to the 1100. The M1200 seemed low and long, and it felt like I was sitting inside the bike, where as the 1100 felt much more aggressive like you're right over the front wheel.

It just depends on where and how you like to ride. I like to take my bikes up into the Apache Trail Canyon roads, and it's extremely tight turns and I rarely get out of 3rd gear. I like a very flickable bike. If you like that style of riding then I'd get the 1100.

If you are going on longer hauls, and take roads that are straight, or long sweepers, then I'd definitely go with the M1200. And as said earlier, the 1100 is much physically smaller and weighs a lot less. Both bikes are good, but seem to have different purposes.
Yes, this is exactly what I have heard, that the 1200 is more of a "sitting in" bike, with the 1100 being more over the bars, as was my old 695 Monster. This is why I'm leaning towards the 1200 and am keen to test ride one to see the comfort level. The ST3 is just too much of a forward lean for me and I'm struggling to fully enjoy the experience each time.
 

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I had a '98 VFR800 before the Monster 1200. The Monster has a lower seat which is good for me. I can get both feet flat on the ground which I could not with the VFR.

I think it has a comfortable riding position. Sit up and beg. I don't feel I am sitting "in" the bike. But maybe I just don't quite know how that feels or what it means. It is noticeably lighter than the VFR. Less weight more power, that's what I wanted out of Honda with the VFR, but never got.
 

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The 09-13 Monster 1100 is one of the best streetbikes ever.
Light
Good geometry
Excellent power delivery
Fantastic sound
Good reliability

With a few tweaks (fork setup and shock) it is more capable than most riders.
I prefer the 09-10 as this was the last of the dry clutch.

The earlier bikes didnt handle nearly as well, and the later bikes lost the identity of the Monster.
 

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Really nice thread to read. Very interesting comments. I was drawn to the Monster with the 2013 20th aniv EVO but it was two calendar years ahead of my time to purchase. So was the big SF. I settled for a Panigale 959 in Jan 2016 and followed-up with a Monster 1200R in October.
At legal speed, you may be surprised to read that the Monster handles better than the Panigale as the wide bars provide much more leverage. I eventually traded the Pani for a Mulistrada for two-up riding. You may also be surprised to read that the Multistrada is a sportbike which can tour. Notwithstanding, I definitely don't consider the M1200R as a cruiser nor a good touring bike. Although the M1200R is heavier than the 1100 air cooled, It's still a raw roadster IMHO.
 

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I have not had the chance to try an older Monster than my '14 1200, but would like to, after reading this thread.
Please feel free to consider this a cry for help. ;)

Comparing it to my '03 Tuono, it is pretty refined. The T was raw. Both are great fun bikes.
 
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