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hi there,

I'm new to the site but have done lots of reading in the archives. I currently own a M695, but recently a special edition sc caught my eye (black with gold decals). I've read that this conversion is possible....but i still have some questions.

what is under the seat cowl once it is removed from a mono...a passenger seat? if not could i swap out the seat for a biposot seat and still use my seat cowl?

i would probably get the boomtube pipes to replace the stock so that would leave room for passenger pegs? would one from a biposto bolt right on? or a rizoma aftermarket one?

and by adjusting the pre load on the rear shock,would that be sufficient for a passenger?

are there any other modifications required that i've missed?

im really in love with this bike up for sale in my area, but cant justify it if my wife can't ride along.

thanks for your input.
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The seat is easy. A bipoto seat and cowl will just clip on, but I'm not sure if the mono and biposto cowls are the same - (they do look it, except for the pad) - but I can check (I have a mono and a bip) but not for a day or two as the mono seat is at the paint shop.

If your passenger is not too heavy, most shocks can be uprated with a stiffer spring, or a buy a new unit.

The hard part is fitting passenger pegs, as there nowhere to mount them on either side, but some people have made up some bolt on pegs.

Maybe you can buy a mono rear end from the guy selling his Red SC on the other thread as he must have all the parts from his conversion. There are a lot of parts to change though - much, much more than you'd think - and it's not nearly as pretty.

Try JCPak bikes. They may have a solution?

I did half of what you're proposing, the other way around... See the difference.



...but I still have twin shocks and can mount Mack passenger footpegs on these hangers, one each side.

 

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Alternatively, ditch your passenger... These bike are too pretty for compromises. LOL...
 

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The LE guys will call for your head... You would lose any value of the limited edition doing such to it.
 

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If you do buy the gorgeous LE, I would buy a biposto seat, but there's no need to mount the mono cowl on it, simply swap seats over whenever you need to take a pillion. (It's much quicker than undoing four allen bolts anyway).

Then, get some custom passenger pegs made up that will bolt to the subframe and can be removed.

Finally, see a shock/suspension specialist and get a new spring for dual purposes...
 

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The LE guys will call for your head... You would lose any value of the limited edition doing such to it.
I say go for it, but keep all the stock parts so you can swap it back and get full value if you need to sell, or if later on you get a second bike for two-up riding and want to convert the LE back to all its monoposto glory.
 

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It would be a seriously depressing sight to see a SE converted to a 2-seater...
 

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Don't do it !

IMHO Get yourself a biposto or a GT for 2 up riding They are both fantastic rides. Don't mess with the LE, they are too rare and too beautiful. Besides I want it. PM me it's location and I'll save you the trouble of having to make such a dificult decision ;)
 

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I have a SE and am looking to get a biposto seat to swap quickly as well for any chicks that would like a ride. I hate the look but sometimes you gotta just give them a ride!
 

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Consider a hybrid solution, such as a BiPosto swing arm, shocks, seat, exhaust and then JCs Mack hangers with pegs (the BBTs are terrible looking). It's clean and simple and in my opinion I like the un-bent swing arm better. Of course, you can't do Zards, which is unfortunate.
 

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Do it!

I own the ex-speedfreak bike that Greggers posted the link to and the conversion is neither too technical nor too expensive. A pair of 900SS pegs, some steel plate, some spacer tube, some longer bolts and a biposto seat.
The mono and biposto seat cowls are exactly the same and swap over, but like London said, just swap the seats and don't mess about with the cowl swap.
To mount the pegs on mine may take 10 minutes at most.
Like has been said the limiting factor is the single shock. Taking my kids for a ride is fine, but the bike certainly feels it when Mrs H gets on there! And she is not of excessive proportions! My advice - get another shock set up for two up riding and swap that over as well.
This is a bolt-on and bolt-off conversion and I don't agree that it would decrease the resale value of the bike. In fact I think it would make it more appealing to potential buyers, like the bike I own. If the black and gold bike was a biposto wouldn't you already own it?
 

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This is a bolt-on and bolt-off conversion and I don't agree that it would decrease the resale value of the bike. In fact I think it would make it more appealing to potential buyers, like the bike I own...
:rolleyes: Well, you're thinking incorrectly. Especially when it comes to an LE, it's an LE for a REASON. Self-justifying ones frankensteining actions won't change its true value when it comes time to sell.

Damn you guys are killin' me! :mad: Keep the mono a mono! If you want a bip then look for one, don't bastardize a mono for the [typically occasional] 2-up ride. There's also the fact that a GT puts you in a better position for 2-up riding since with a sport you would be leaning much more forward while your passenger is still in a mostly-upright sitting position. Sure, they probably could lean forward with you, putting most of their weight on you, but that puts them in a funny position and quite possibly make the ergonomics more uncomfortable. No bitchin' about back/neck/wrist pain from ANYONE who insist on riding 2-up in a sport (non-GT) position.

I guess if you want to devalue a mono, much less an LE, go for it as it's your cash :rolleyes: You'll be doing all the other owners/sellers a favor by increasing the value of the dwindling supply of monos...:D
 

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hi there,

I'm new to the site but have done lots of reading in the archives. I currently own a M695, but recently a special edition sc caught my eye (black with gold decals). I've read that this conversion is possible....but i still have some questions.

what is under the seat cowl once it is removed from a mono...a passenger seat? if not could i swap out the seat for a biposot seat and still use my seat cowl?

i would probably get the boomtube pipes to replace the stock so that would leave room for passenger pegs? would one from a biposto bolt right on? or a rizoma aftermarket one?

and by adjusting the pre load on the rear shock,would that be sufficient for a passenger?

are there any other modifications required that i've missed?

im really in love with this bike up for sale in my area, but cant justify it if my wife can't ride along.

thanks for your input.
tt.
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:rolleyes: Well, you're thinking incorrectly. Especially when it comes to an LE, it's an LE for a REASON. Self-justifying ones frankensteining actions won't change its true value when it comes time to sell.

Damn you guys are killin' me! :mad: Keep the mono a mono! If you want a bip then look for one, don't bastardize a mono for the [typically occasional] 2-up ride. There's also the fact that a GT puts you in a better position for 2-up riding since with a sport you would be leaning much more forward while your passenger is still in a mostly-upright sitting position. Sure, they probably could lean forward with you, putting most of their weight on you, but that puts them in a funny position and quite possibly make the ergonomics more uncomfortable. No bitchin' about back/neck/wrist pain from ANYONE who insist on riding 2-up in a sport (non-GT) position.

I guess if you want to devalue a mono, much less an LE, go for it as it's your cash :rolleyes: You'll be doing all the other owners/sellers a favor by increasing the value of the dwindling supply of monos...:D
ACN is right, there is a thread right now where someone is asking "why he can't get any play" on a very nicely frankensteined Sport 1000S that seems to have a mono rear end on it, looks great but I think the reason he is having a hard time is that it was fucked with so much. Lesson is you never get back the $$, or time from doing the super mods. I know there's the camp that says keep all the parts and switch it back but goes back to "what is your time worth" and I know a few who said screw that at selling time because it was not worth the work. I mess with my SC mono, sell of the stock parts to recoup some of my investment but plan on keeping it for the long haul and riding it but at end of day its still recognizable as a mono.
 

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:rolleyes: Well, you're thinking incorrectly. Especially when it comes to an LE, it's an LE for a REASON. Self-justifying ones frankensteining actions won't change its true value when it comes time to sell.

Damn you guys are killin' me! :mad: Keep the mono a mono! If you want a bip then look for one, don't bastardize a mono for the [typically occasional] 2-up ride. There's also the fact that a GT puts you in a better position for 2-up riding since with a sport you would be leaning much more forward while your passenger is still in a mostly-upright sitting position. Sure, they probably could lean forward with you, putting most of their weight on you, but that puts them in a funny position and quite possibly make the ergonomics more uncomfortable. No bitchin' about back/neck/wrist pain from ANYONE who insist on riding 2-up in a sport (non-GT) position.

I guess if you want to devalue a mono, much less an LE, go for it as it's your cash :rolleyes: You'll be doing all the other owners/sellers a favor by increasing the value of the dwindling supply of monos...:D
The rear pegs, biposto seat and heavier shock are bolt-ons, how is a mono being devalued? Besides, if you plan on keeping the bike, make it fit your purposes not the next owner's. As far as SEs go, stick-on graphics and a plaque on an unsold '06 doesn't impress. When my bike is done it'll have a plaque stating, "#1 of 1". :cool:

The above sent by a grumpy, old ducker.
 

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:rolleyes: Well, you're thinking incorrectly...

I guess if you want to devalue a mono...
Wrong on both counts, you're missing a key point Hillbillees made - there is no frankensteing required, his biposto solution is 100% removable/reversible with only 5-10mins work.

In other words the bike becomes a 100% unmolested "LE" when the biposto kit is removed. No frankensteining, no devaluation... just versatility.

i.e.



Agreed the look is nowhere near as nice as a mono, and even a mid-size adult affects handling significantly, but these two things are true of any mono-vs 2-up setup on a sporty bike... and you just easilly revert to mono-setup when you don't need it.
 

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wow, this makes it look really easy. truth be told to everyone who sais don't do it because it will devalue it, im buying a bike to ride and enjoy. I dont plan on selling it for a long time if ever....to me i'd rather loose a bit of money over a long period of time rather then not enjoy it while i have it. I'm not buying stocks, im not doing this as an investment.
 

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Do it TT! You know you want to!

If I ever choose to sell my bike it will be my choice as to whether or not the potential buyers know it has been "modded" and it is definately not "frakensteined". If I sell it with the dual seat and pegs they will know, otherwise there is nothing that would indicate a dual conversion has ever taken place.
If I had bought the bike as an investment I wouldn't be riding it! If I had, wouldn't making the most of my investment and keeping the wife happy be wise choices?
I might have to get a Limited Edition plate and some gold decals made up :) so I don't lose any more money.

Go for it TT
 
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