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Hey Gang,

My brother bought a 916 from Canada with about 1500 kilometers on it. The bike was in pristine condition when he picked it up.

It now has 3010 Kilometers on the clock. Here's the good stuff:

1. It has a Fast by Ferracci clip ons
2. It's has a Ducati Performance slipper clutch
3. Fast by Ferracci chip - I am guessing it's their stage 1, but don't know for sure.
4. My brother stated that he replaced the front / rear sprocket for quicker launches.
5. It has what appear to be Termignoni carbon fiber slip ons
6. Tires are low mile Pirelli Diablo Corsa III's

Now the bad part:

My brother went down on the bike, but doesn't remember what happened. The damage was as follows:

1. Both mirrors broken off
2. Both fairing stays were broken
3. The headlight mounting bucket was broken
4. There are scratches on both side fairings
5. There are scratches behind the the seat on one side
6. The original windscreen and supporting plastic fairing broke off
7. One blinker was damaged

My brother shipped it to me in this condition and I replaced the broken parts, did the belt service and flushed all fluids and filters and replaced the battery.

Here's the question: Should I sell it as is, or have a body shop repair the fairing scratches and then sell it?
What is your sense of the value of a low mileage 916 that has been dropped?

Thanks for your wisdom!!
 

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How much is he needing ot get out of it, and how much work do you want to spend on fixing it up for him?
 

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That must have been a helluva crash. You're selling a Canada spec bike in the US that has been crashed. And selling in a shitty market. The market for a good one is maybe around $7K these days although prices are risings since, contrary to popular belief, Ducati didn't make that many. A bike that was crashed pretty good and fixed? Maybe $5K if that. With the bodywork fixed properly. I certainly wouldn't pay more than that.
 

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That must have been a helluva crash. You're selling a Canada spec bike in the US that has been crashed. And selling in a shitty market. The market for a good one is maybe around $7K these days although prices are risings since, contrary to popular belief, Ducati didn't make that many. A bike that was crashed pretty good and fixed? Maybe $5K if that. With the bodywork fixed properly. I certainly wouldn't pay more than that.
It’s not “ a helluva” crash. The damage has been from a standstill. Repaired many bikes that have fallen onto or against something. Apart from the obvious the overall condition of the bike looks to be excellent.
 

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It’s not “ a helluva” crash. The damage has been from a standstill. Repaired many bikes that have fallen onto or against something. Apart from the obvious the overall condition of the bike looks to be excellent.
In the OP's post, there's unfortunately no mention of you being there. Since you clearly were, judging from your detailed account of the incident, perhaps you can provide some additional enlightening commentary and maybe even some phone photos. Great to have you on the job.

One question though, where did it say "from a standstill?"

My valuation stands and with the additional proviso that the front fairing/windscreen/mirrors be present and accounted for.
 

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You were there to make the “helluva accident” comment were you? And your assessment of the damage comes from???? Perhaps you need to think what you say before you open your mouth as I doubt you have any experience with motorcycle accident repair. Me on the other hand have been working in the industry along side insurance companies for thirty years. I feel I have a wee bit more ability to read what I see in pictures to make a rather good if not excellent assessment of the damage then you ever will. What do you think?
From “a standstill” are my words. Don’t think I copied or made up anything different. Also, I gave no valuation, merely commented on your “helluva” accident. Your arrogance is staggering.
 

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One thing to keep in mind about "collectible" bikes and the prices that go along with them...
The ones that bring good money are stock with no stories.

Sure for years guys saw some exhausts and other mods as a plus.
That was when they were just used bikes. Those mods added to the enjoyment and use of the bike.

Now in the collector market guys are valuing low mileage stock bikes.

Does that mean a bike like this is worthless? Absolutely not.
But you have to adjust expectations to the market demands.
 

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How does it fall over on both sides? Pick it up and then l drop it on the other side for more damage? Doesn't make sense?
 

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While the damage looks to me more than just a stand still drop (not that I was there, mind you... so I don't know), it is hardly a "helluva drop." Most of the damage is cosmetic only. I say most, because of the headlight bucket, but this is certainly not a hard hit, in my opinion.
 

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One thing to keep in mind about "collectible" bikes and the prices that go along with them...
The ones that bring good money are stock with no stories.

Sure for years guys saw some exhausts and other mods as a plus.
That was when they were just used bikes. Those mods added to the enjoyment and use of the bike.

Now in the collector market guys are valuing low mileage stock bikes.

Does that mean a bike like this is worthless? Absolutely not.
But you have to adjust expectations to the market demands.
Agreed.... to an extent. These bikes are still ridden, and such add-ons would also be appreciated by a potential new owner. Will some cans or a chip hurt the value? No, not in my opinion. Will it help it significantly? No. The one thing that would help the value of a low-mile Ducati would be tasteful, easily replaced mods, where the original owner has retained all the original parts. Being able to restore the machine to stock is very important, as what one person likes, may not be what another would appreciate. It always makes me raise an eyebrow when I see people trying to fetch a premium on a custom painted bike, when custom paint is about the worst investment you could do, actually hurting the machine's resale value.

All in all, tasteful mods don't really affect the value in either direction, so long as they can be returned to stock.

The exception to this of course, being the ultra rare, or ultra low mile motorcycles... (Supermonos, Paul Smarts, Mike Hailwoods, Superlegerras, Desmosedicis, and your 1, 2, or even 3 digit mileage bikes.)
 

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Is it worth fixing the paint damage to the right mid and lower?

Depends. If you have an excellent body shop that can do the work so it looks completely original and matches the rest of the paint it might be worth it if the entire bike has no signs of crash damage and looks completely original. Given the extent of the damage to the bike much of this boils down to how original the rest of the bike looks. Does the replacement upper paint match the tank? Were the scrapes on the tail fixed and how well were they fixed? Do the mirror stays match the color of the headlight bucket and look original? Are there signs of the crash that have not been addressed like the ends of the bars, levers and foot pegs? Did the clutch cover get nicked by the belly from falling over on the right?

You get a premium for low mileage, but only if it doesn't look crashed and pieced together. If you can make it look totally original, then painting the mid and lower could be worthwhile. If the fact it has been pieced together shows, I wouldn't bother painting the mid and lower. The value of the bike depends on how original it looks. The pictures provided, given the damage described are not enough to make a judgement.
 

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i wonder if it had non std mirror screws, to break both those mounts out. went down on one side, tried to pick it up by the other mirror? wacky.
Something had to have hit it on the right side, harder than just a drop, in order to go past the front fairing and bust the headlight bucket like that.
 

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That must have been a helluva crash. You're selling a Canada spec bike in the US that has been crashed. And selling in a shitty market. The market for a good one is maybe around $7K these days although prices are risings since, contrary to popular belief, Ducati didn't make that many. A bike that was crashed pretty good and fixed? Maybe $5K if that. With the bodywork fixed properly. I certainly wouldn't pay more than that.
Ducati made over 60k bikes in the 916 family from 1994-2004. Not sure how many were actually 916 versus others (ian Falloon's catalog from 2005 would probably say exactly), but the point is they are fairly plentiful even today. The scarcity thing is quite overblown on these bikes (851 & 888 on the other hand are actually relatively rare)

But for your valuation, I would agree that a bike properly fixed and ready to ride might be worth $5k. But it might take $2k to actually do that with a professional repaint, new graphics, maintenance, tires, etc. And being an import, many guys will simply pass due to the hassle, I know I would.

If it were a 3000 km time capsule in perfect condition, even sitting in Canada, it might have appeal and fairly high value. Sadly, this bike lost much of its intrinsic value when it was damaged.
 

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Many looking at this bike might actually think the low mileage hurts the value.

Issue is that this bike will appeal to riders, a collector will not want it.
So riders will see the low mileage as sign of dry seals and other service needs.
 

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Given the light scratches on one side, slightly heavier on the other, I'm picturing a low-side, with a flip to the high side. My brother died 3 weeks ago, so I can't get more details on what happened. It was definitely not a tip over at a stand-still, but since none of the metal bits are scratched, I also suspect it wasn't a high speed event.

So.... do I part it out? Should I sell it with the existing scratches? Do I invest $1-$2k to have them filled and the whole bike repainted?

It's not the right bike for me to ride. I turn 60 this year, and I haven't been riding much in the last 35 years. The 916 requires a level of skill that I don't possess! I'm better off on a Grom!
 

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Is it worth fixing the paint damage to the right mid and lower?

Depends. If you have an excellent body shop that can do the work so it looks completely original and matches the rest of the paint it might be worth it if the entire bike has no signs of crash damage and looks completely original. Given the extent of the damage to the bike much of this boils down to how original the rest of the bike looks. Does the replacement upper paint match the tank? Were the scrapes on the tail fixed and how well were they fixed? Do the mirror stays match the color of the headlight bucket and look original? Are there signs of the crash that have not been addressed like the ends of the bars, levers and foot pegs? Did the clutch cover get nicked by the belly from falling over on the right?

You get a premium for low mileage, but only if it doesn't look crashed and pieced together. If you can make it look totally original, then painting the mid and lower could be worthwhile. If the fact it has been pieced together shows, I wouldn't bother painting the mid and lower. The value of the bike depends on how original it looks. The pictures provided, given the damage described are not enough to make a judgement.
I can snap more photos if it would be helpful. Right now, it looks pieced together, because the nose fairing is tri-color with a mirror wind screen.

Mechanically, it's in great shape. It runs and rides perfectly.

Cosmetically, there is no damage on the clutch cover, pegs or shifters. One bar end needs to be replaced as it is scratched.

Thanks for the help!
Jim
 

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You want to sell it so the only real question is if you get it repaired
can you sell it for more than you can as it sits plus the cost of
the repairs. You need to find out what it will cost you to get it repaired
or repair it yourself and go from there. If you can repair it yourself vs
paying to have it repaired would make a huge difference the part out
value would be another question. Until you know what the repair cost
will be its all speculation.
 

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I'm sorry about your brother. That stinks.

As far as the bike goes, I think that you have good advice as to what its value would be if it were pristine. I honestly think you need to sell it as is because given what's needed to make it a $5k bike, it's not going to make sense economically.

You never mentioned the year but I assume its a 1995. If it's a 1994, there's a small chance it's worth a little bit more...
 

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The bike could have been parked and a car has reversed into it. Quoted jobs like that many times.
It has an ohlins shock.
 
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