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So I sold the Hindle full system that I had on the Duc...it was a great pipe in every way, except that my giant feet needed more room than the pipe gave me, forcing my feet to the edge of the pegs and burning my boots. I used the money to buy a set of Leo Vince Ti SBK slip-ons.

I reinstalled the OEM head pipes and collector, then installed the Leo's. The actual installation went pretty well. The mid pipes fit as they are supposed to mostly, although there is no way to clamp them into place (this leads to one of the issues below). The finish on the cans and pipes is very nice, and the general quality of manufacture seems very good.

One thing that was kinda odd (but really not a big deal on a race bike) is that the cans came with separate rivet-on labels, but a) no holes in the cans for them and b) there are label stickers on the cans already...kinda odd. We'll see how those stickers last when the cans get hot.

Overall, the look is very good, and the hardware is nicely turned out.

Issues...

1. Nobody on Earth had any aluminum can models in stock, but there were plenty of "lightweight Titanium" ones available (quoted from web site). I didn't really want to spend the extra $180, but a) there were no alum. ones to be had, and b) if it's light, I figured what the heck... little Ti bling never hurt anyone.

Imagine my surprise when I took the box from the UPS guy and almost dropped it because it was so much heavier than I expected. How is that possible you ask? It turns out that each Ti Leo can weighs exactly 3 Oz. less than BOTH of my Hindle aluminum $140 cans put together (as weighed on my postage scale). The outside of these things might be Ti, but the inside is pewter, or maybe tungsten...yikes.

2. They went on really well after considerable head scratching re: the 5 piece mounting hardware, but a) the directions are non-existent ("assemble various fasteners until complete") and b) once you get the things installed they move around alot. I'm thinking I need to get them lined up, then stop by a welder on my way out of town this weekend to tack them into place.

If I had time to return them and buy something else I would...I paid $670 or so for these things...2 boat anchor cans and 2 10" midpipes...seems liketoo much cash for what I got...by about $300. If it at least mounted up better I wouldn't be so disappointed, but they don't.

I did have the option of getting a Hindle hi-mount slip-on system, but there was a bit of a wait, and I (of course) had procrastinated away my available time window. The Hindle setup is about $260 less than the Leo one I bought, and weighs pounds less...the Leo's might be hitting Ebay after Cycle Jam.

I'm sure that after this weekend when I have some time, I'll be able to mitigate the mounting issue, but for near to $700 for some mufflers and a couple of connector pipes, I shouldn't have to.

Two thumbs down.
 

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I am surprised on your recation. I have heard nothing but positive feedback on them. I know that critter had a problem with his initial setup but with Leo Vince's great service, they were able to work it out for him.

Does anyone know if Remus slipons are still available? My friend is in the market for one but unable to locate a dealer who still carries them. Fyi, Remus literally just slips on without any complications, adapters, or connectors.
 

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Ya, I was surprised too...I've heard 100% great stuff about them before.

I'm hoping that the movement thing might be fixable by some sort of tweaking that I haven't figured out...will try to get in touch w. LV. Really my biggest disappointment is the weight (I'm assuming I'll resolve the loose fit issue)...and I'm pretty sure customer service isn't going to fix that :)
 

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dietDrThunder said:
One thing that was kinda odd (but really not a big deal on a race bike) is that the cans came with separate rivet-on labels, but a) no holes in the cans for them and b) there are label stickers on the cans already...kinda odd. We'll see how those stickers last when the cans get hot.
This is because so many people dislike the decals and wanted to remove them. LeoVince put stickons on them now so they are easily removable, but provide the original riveted ones for those that want them. Mine came with the riveted ones already applied and they've grown on me.

I'm not sure why your cans are not a tight fit...mine are perfect.

And, as for the weight, as this is such an important issue on a race bike I'm at a loss as to why you didn't know the weight of the cans before you bought them!

Anyway, as for the fitting issues, drop Will Schoeppe a note at [email protected]
 

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And, as for the weight, as this is such an important issue on a race bike I'm at a loss as to why you didn't know the weight of the cans before you bought them!

Anyway, as for the fitting issues, drop Will Schoeppe a note at [email protected]
It's not that the weight is that critical...hell I weigh 290 pounds. As my Bridgestone guy Stickboy is fond of pointing out, the single greatest performance add-on for my bike would be a chef's salad :D

The thing that bugs me is that for $700 I expect to get cans that aren't double the weight of the $280 cans. And, just in case anyone wants to be a smarty pants, I know that Ti is heavier than aluminum...it's the idea that the El Cheapo ones are super light and the expensive top-shelf high performance ones are boat anchors is what bugs me.

Honestly if i hadn't had the Hindle cans in my garage, I might not have noticed that the difference was so huge.

Thanks for the email addy...I"ll hit him up right away.
 

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The thing that bugs me is that for $700 I expect to get cans that aren't double the weight of the $280 cans....it's the idea that the El Cheapo ones are super light and the expensive top-shelf high performance ones are boat anchors is what bugs me.
$280? Where do you buy a pair of LeoVince aluminium cans for $280?

$280 EACH may be!
 

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So I've re-installed and re-re-installed these things, and there's just no good way to make them tight. The loop around the can is fine, but the rubber mounting system means that the cans can't be locked down solidly (probably so they won't crack w/ vibes). This wouldn't be so bad if the mid-pipe had a way to clamp into the collector and can solidly, but they just slip-fit.

I guess I'll take a dremel to the collector and mid, cut some slots, and get some pipe clamps to squeeze it all together.

El bummero.
 

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I really am at a loss to understand what you mean by "can't be locked down solidly."

The clamps hold mine down as solid as a rock, I mean they literally cannot be moved.
 

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I really am at a loss to understand what you mean by "can't be locked down solidly."

The clamps hold mine down as solid as a rock, I mean they literally cannot be moved.
Maybe the 07 cans mount up differently? Not sure...on mine, the single bolt that goes through the lower part of the peg bracket goes through a machined aluminum piece (2 halves actually), which in turn fits into a 2-piece rubber mount grommet. Regardless of how tight the bolt is through the alum. parts (and it is fully tight...the rubber is getting squashed big time), the whole thing is still floating in the rubber mount. This mount is soft, and allows the whole thing to move laterally (towards or away from the swing arm).

The only way to get it to solidly mount at that point would be to somehow eliminate the rubber parts such that it wold be a solid mount to the footpeg bracket.

EDIT: upon even further inspection, the band around the can is actually providing most of this flex/movement, flexing at the place where the 2 flats come together...maybe Leo has a stiffer one of these bands I could use? That would about do it I think.

Does this differ from how yours mounts up?
 

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How heavy are those freakin things? Heavier or equal to stock?
I bought Remus (DP) oval Ti for my bike and was shocked at how much weight came OFF the bike. No excuse for 'boat anchor' exhaust systems these days.
 

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Hhmmm....

The weight's not an issue. Much lighter than stock!

Can you post a pict of what's going on? I don't get it. The mid-pipe slips right in perfectly snug, and the can goes right on - the spring on the bottom and the band bolts to the rear foot peg. Mine are great! Simple to install and they ain't going anywhere.
 

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The weight's not an issue. Much lighter than stock!

Can you post a pict of what's going on? I don't get it. The mid-pipe slips right in perfectly snug, and the can goes right on - the spring on the bottom and the band bolts to the rear foot peg. Mine are great! Simple to install and they ain't going anywhere.
They are lighter than stock...and twice as heavy as Hindle cans that are 35% less expensive.

The mid-pipe is not "snug" at all...it just sips in w/ no resistance at all, and spins freely (regardless of how hard I push it into the collector). I didn't say anything about them not being simple to install...they are very simple to install.

I guess the point is that I think the mid-and-can assembly should be connected to the bike at 2 places. FOr examplem if the OIEM collector had spring mounts, then you couls spring mount the mid pipe to the collector, and that would be the 2nd mounting spot. Or, if there were clamps, you could clamp it to the collector. Leo could have easily accomplished this by constructing the mid pipe the same way the collector is made, with an inner and outer wall. Make the outer wall thin, and cut slots in it, and make it so that it slips around the outside of the collector.

Slip it on, install a clamp, and Bob's your uncle.

Anyway, I"m glad others are happy with them, and I wish mine fit tightly the way yours does, but doesn't. But hey, if you take a look at the 'Karma" thread you can see that this might not be a problem for long :)
 

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They are lighter than stock...and twice as heavy as Hindle cans that are 35% less expensive.

The mid-pipe is not "snug" at all...it just sips in w/ no resistance at all, and spins freely (regardless of how hard I push it into the collector). I didn't say anything about them not being simple to install...they are very simple to install.

I guess the point is that I think the mid-and-can assembly should be connected to the bike at 2 places. FOr examplem if the OIEM collector had spring mounts, then you couls spring mount the mid pipe to the collector, and that would be the 2nd mounting spot. Or, if there were clamps, you could clamp it to the collector. Leo could have easily accomplished this by constructing the mid pipe the same way the collector is made, with an inner and outer wall. Make the outer wall thin, and cut slots in it, and make it so that it slips around the outside of the collector.

Slip it on, install a clamp, and Bob's your uncle.

Anyway, I"m glad others are happy with them, and I wish mine fit tightly the way yours does, but doesn't. But hey, if you take a look at the 'Karma" thread you can see that this might not be a problem for long :)
Not sure what is going on here. Mine were very easy to install and fit perfectly. The higher weight is your own fault as you did not find out the weight before you bought them. They are certainly much lighter than stock and, thus, do not qualify as "boat anchors."

I suspect they are similar to Remus and Termi.
 

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Not sure what is going on here. Mine were very easy to install and fit perfectly. The higher weight is your own fault as you did not find out the weight before you bought them. They are certainly much lighter than stock and, thus, do not qualify as "boat anchors."

I suspect they are similar to Remus and Termi.
My not finding out the weight didn't make the cans heavier...they'd be boat anchors even if I didn't buy them. I simply found out about it the hard way.

"Lighter than stock" in no way disqualifies them from being boat anchors...however, being double the weight of cheaper cans does qualify them for same.

Look, I"m sure lots of people like them. If Hindle gets the slipons back in stock, I'm going to sell these (with the crashed parts replaced) and buy one. Anyone reading this is welcome to them...I'll probably sell the setup for about $475 (paid $670 last week).

I'll post up when the others come available.
 

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I mean to say before...I don't have a huge selection of exhaust cans at my house to test, so it is possible that all of the major manufacturer's cans are roughly the same weight, and it's just that the Hindle ones are far lighter than any other, making them exceptional...dunno. If that is the case, and that makes my expecations unreasonable, then I guess I"m being unreasonable.

I forget if I mentioned this or not, but when I crashed on Sunday the can did not come off, so that's positive. It did come within about 1/8" away from coming off at the collector, but it didn't actually fall off.
 

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Well I just got done installing my CF slip-ons. I have the same problem. The area where the mid-pipe slips into the header is not secure. Seems like there should be a rubber gasket of some sort. The cans will "swing" back and forth if I push on them. Another problem I had was the left side; I couldn't seem to fit the support all the way around the pipe. As if it had been tweaked. This make if very difficult to thread the nut on the bolt because I didn't have enough threads showing. I finally got it. Lastly, they came with sticker decals installed, and with an extra pair of sticker decals. I really wish I would have received the riveted ones with the user option install. Oh well.


btw, LOVE the look and LOVE the sound.
 

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Well I just got done installing my CF slip-ons. I have the same problem. The area where the mid-pipe slips into the header is not secure. Seems like there should be a rubber gasket of some sort. The cans will "swing" back and forth if I push on them. Another problem I had was the left side; I couldn't seem to fit the support all the way around the pipe. As if it had been tweaked. This make if very difficult to thread the nut on the bolt because I didn't have enough threads showing. I finally got it. Lastly, they came with sticker decals installed, and with an extra pair of sticker decals. I really wish I would have received the riveted ones with the user option install. Oh well.


btw, LOVE the look and LOVE the sound.
Give me your address and I"ll mail you my rivet-on plates...I have no use for 'em.

re: mounting...maybe they've changed something such that we have the same issue, but others can't imagine it? I didn't think of that...
 

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Give me your address and I"ll mail you my rivet-on plates...I have no use for 'em.

re: mounting...maybe they've changed something such that we have the same issue, but others can't imagine it? I didn't think of that...
Did either one of you think about contacting LeoVince and finding out if the wrong midpipes were sent? When I got mine, they sent the right midpipes but the wrong cans...I scratched them up pretty good trying to make them fit before I realised what had happened. They overnighted the right ones to me before they even received the original ones back. Great product (unless you need a system that weighs less than 2 oz), great customer service, but not the best packaging department apparently.

And I hate to sound like a sound loop on the weight thing, but I maintain that anyone who is buying anything for a race bike and doesn't find out the the weight ahead of time has no right to complain if it's heavier than expected. I really do not understand why you didn't simply put your original system back on and send the LeoVinces back.

I mean, you hated the weight as soon as you got the package, then you put them on your bike anyway?
 

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Did either one of you think about contacting LeoVince and finding out if the wrong midpipes were sent? When I got mine, they sent the right midpipes but the wrong cans...I scratched them up pretty good trying to make them fit before I realised what had happened. They overnighted the right ones to me before they even received the original ones back. Great product (unless you need a system that weighs less than 2 oz), great customer service, but not the best packaging department apparently.

And I hate to sound like a sound loop on the weight thing, but I maintain that anyone who is buying anything for a race bike and doesn't find out the the weight ahead of time has no right to complain if it's heavier than expected. I really do not understand why you didn't simply put your original system back on and send the LeoVinces back.

I mean, you hated the weight as soon as you got the package, then you put them on your bike anyway?
Yes, I have spoken w. Leo at length (2 different people). I have what I'm supposed to have, and it fits the way it's supposed to fit, according to them. And, I can't use the OEM exhaust because it lacks the necessary ground clearance.

re: the other stuff.

Whatever...enjoy your boat anchors. If you want spares I"ll be ebaying mine for cheap after Cycle Jam (assuming I don't smash them again :) ).
 
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