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So If you had an option to buy a 2004 998 Matrix that has a Lemon Law Buy Back
title but the seller has no information about the issue would you? Per the CA DMV
the seller of the vehicle must disclose the reason for the Buy back and the steps
taken to correct it. The new seller dosen't know this information. The bike looks
clean form photos has 12,000 miles a few aftermarket items has been non OP for
5 years he has had it on display in his house. Of course I have not seen it in person
yet and I wouldn't be able to start it etc just check for damage make sure the engine
is not locked up etc.
This could be a major can of worms or a good deal what would you be willing to offer
for it if you had the chance?
What would the part out value of it be?
 

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Is the owner asking $7k? If so, that's too high for not staying original. And at 12K miles. (which isn't much)

How much would I pay for a bike I did not hear run? As much as I could sell the wheels and fairing for.
 

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if you're just going to part it out, what does it matter?
I like most riders have always wanted a 916-998 Ducati they are iconic bikes. I would
not want to part it out but if I am getting it for less than part out value why not take
the risk on it.
 

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What does the lemon law mean in California ? Doesn’t it mean they tried to fix the same issue multiple times and failed ? It would be nice to trace that down. Maybe through the DMV you could find the dealer ?
 

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It's a movie replica and a corny one at that - to me the bike starts out being worth less than a standard 998. But - if you want this thing because the matrix edition is cool then all that title and buy-back stuff doesnt matter because you're not buying it for a daily rider anyway. Buy it and enjoy it. If you want a daily rider that is solid and reliable and will give years of trouble-free service - I'd stay clear of this bike. (If you are going to part it out you're a dick .)

What's it worth? With that title, not running and assuming everything else is clean and working I'd say about $3000 to $3500
 

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It's a movie replica and a corny one at that - to me the bike starts out being worth less than a standard 998. But - if you want this thing because the matrix edition is cool then all that title and buy-back stuff doesnt matter because you're not buying it for a daily rider anyway. Buy it and enjoy it. If you want a daily rider that is solid and reliable and will give years of trouble-free service - I'd stay clear of this bike. (If you are going to part it out you're a dick .)

What's it worth? With that title, not running and assuming everything else is clean and working I'd say about $3000 to $3500
Ok guys lets calm down a little bit. I could care less that its a Matrix it appears to be a clean low mile 998 with a
title issue, Lemon Law Buy Back is like a salvage title it has be be fixed and documented before it can be resold
it is a tarnished vehicle though price wise. If people would take the time to read the posts I am not going into
this looking to part it out but since the price is less the low price that's been posted it would make it less of a
gamble if it has a major issue if it's part out value is more than I am paying. It will never be a collector as it has
the mentioned Tarnished title it would be a daily rider like any bike I have purchased in the 40 plus years I have
been enjoying this hobby. The real issue to me it has been used as a static display in a living room for the last
5 years so because of that I can't start it or ride it that makes it a gamble.
Getting it titled will be no problem as it is titled it's just been on a non op status for the last 5 years so it can't
be ridden or even parked on the street in California. I plan on taking some tools to remove the fairings look for
any hidden damage make sure the cooling system is not full of rust and use an engine turning tool to check that
it is not locked up and has compression.
It's not far from me so I am going to look at it today do I need it no would it be a nice toy to have yes would
it be a project maybe. Do I enjoy having a project bike yes I like working on bikes always have since my first
dirt bike as a kid.
Why did I make this post if you took the time to read it the question was two fold what would you offer for it
and what's the part out value. It seemed like a simple request best response goes to Namor.
"How much would I pay for a bike I did not hear run? As much as I could sell the wheels and fairing for"
And that's about what I would be paying for it less than 3000.
 

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I think if you're paying less than $3K for it, and you are going in knowing it has problems...well, go for it.

I'd have to consider that what ever problem it had causing a buy back by the dealer who sold it, it wasn't a terminal problem.

Otherwise the dealer could not have sold it a second time. Bureau of Automotive Repair would order them closed down or fine the dealer for doing so.

The dealership is the only one, as far as I know, that is required to disclose the repairs made under the buy back prior to sale. Individual owners after that are only required to disclose the lemon law buy back.

However, you do have recourse to finding out the information. On the DMV website there is a link to a free vehicle history report. You might try use that to find the original dealer.

At the very least, the report will tell you the date of each registration by a new owner so you at least know what level of sloppy seconds your getting. :grin2:

Good luck man, if it were me, I'd do it. And I don't even like the Matrix...sean
 

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I plan on going to check it out will be back with a new toy/project or at the least
have a nice lunch. The seller seems to be a stand up guy he has sent me pic's of the
title non op reg etc he parked it due to back surgery and has been using it as
indoor art.
I will post the outcome later.
 

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Was this on CL recently? I saw one earlier this week but just cruised past it as I wasn't looking for a 998 right now...........sean
 

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What does the lemon law mean in California ?
It means that the owner ruined the bike and refused to accept responsibility, so asked for the government to step in and help out. It could mean anything in California.

How could one of those old bikes be a lemon? There is nothing to them. Just nice simple machines.
 

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It means that the owner ruined the bike and refused to accept responsibility, so asked for the government to step in and help out. It could mean anything in California.

How could one of those old bikes be a lemon? There is nothing to them. Just nice simple machines.
This. Buy it, enjoy it.
 
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Subscribing--I want to see how this turns out.

If it looks good enough to use as indoor art, it's probably pretty nice.
For sub-$3k, I'd be inclined to jump on it.
 

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Call me crazy I love the green duc.

Knowing how easy it is to lemon law a bike that would not scare me away at all unless the bike was being purchased for investment reasons. If buying for myself I don't care if it is salvage,lemon law buyback or clean title. I am a mechanic and anything can be fixed. Anyway there are more Ducati's lemon lawed now than there ever were before not because the bikes are worse just because owners know how easy it is to get out of a situation they do not like.

If a dealer simply takes too long due to scheduling they are in danger, parts supplies etc can cause a buyback.
 
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