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let's talk for a minute
when the 1188 "R" comes out next year
at 32.5K (approx)
how on earth will ducati make that bike worth 12.5K MORE than the 1098S and still not piss off the desmosedici owners who'll be spending 65K for THEIR bikes

for example
in hp numbers

1098 - 160
desmo - "greater than 200"
so..... the 1188 will have 180?
is 20hp worth 12.5K MORE than the 1098S?

so....
what do YOU think
what will be on the 1188 to make it worth 12.5K More than the 1098S and STILL not UPstage the desmosedici, costing twice as much (65K)?
 

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because...
that's the "price point" that ducati holds for it's "R" bikes
the 999R was around that price when it came out originally
though you can get one MUCH CHEAPER now... if you can find a new one

with the tri-colore being 25K... the 1/2 desmosedici price seems like the most logical to ducati

this was discussed A LITTLE BIT at the dealer meeting in salt lake city...
but, not out in the open
only a few folks were privy to this info

again.....
first is the true 1098 roll-out
then.... time to get those desmosedicis into the hands of all those who pre-bought/pre-registered for one

then....... AND ONLY then will the 1188 be discussed in the open

ducati is really doing a GREAT JOB WITH MARKETING for a change
 

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the desmosedici has nothing to worry about from any other model.to put it another way,you think a ferrari enzo owner gives a crap if ferrari upgraded the hp in its lower models?
 

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I think 32k-ish would be fair for the 1188 if it comes equipped similar to the 999R with 1098 features. (Ti rods, hand built engine, a little lighter, etc.)

For the money, (65K!) the Desmosedici had better come with carbon everything, Magnesium engine everything, Ti exhaust, a lime green Jello hottub with three Hooters chicks in it, a beer tap, fully adjustable rake/trail/swingarm, rearsets, downloadable/programable fuelmap/ignition, diagnostics/data aquisition, traction control, easily removeable lighting/blankoffs for the track, a REAL "tool kit", and a coupon redemable for one free repair after your first highside... :D
 

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Im far from a subject matter expert on this, but I thought I read somewhere Ducati was trying to make thier bikes more affordable, thus the $14,999 for the 1098? (think of the base 999 price).
 

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RichD said:
and a coupon redemable for one free repair after your first highside... :D
LOL
if only
that would be the BEST marketing offer ever
 

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Visolara said:
Im far from a subject matter expert on this, but I thought I read somewhere Ducati was trying to make thier bikes more affordable, thus the $14,999 for the 1098? (think of the base 999 price).
15K for the 1098 IS cheap
only 3.5K more than an R1...

that's CHEAP AS DIRT to me
 

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kaos said:
the desmosedici has nothing to worry about from any other model.to put it another way,you think a ferrari enzo owner gives a crap if ferrari upgraded the hp in its lower models?
Exactly. The 1198 will be for the owners that want a great bike to ride/race on the street/track. Desmosedici owners want to own the special bike...and the extra $$ will equate to a more elite status...

...and Desmosedici owners will probably have enough desposable income to own both anyway...
 

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spalding12 said:
15K for the 1098 IS cheap
only 3.5K more than an R1...

that's CHEAP AS DIRT to me
but there is a difference there. even though msrp on an r1 may be 11.5k, no one in their right mind would actually pay that. honda's, kawisaki's, yamaha's, and suzuki's can all be had for much less than msrp. not so with ducati.

still worth the extra few thousand though :D
 

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And remember..

The Desmosedici is a limited production bike with ALOT more goodies then a 1098 or even the coming 1198..

True Öhlins Moto-gp suspension
V4 superhigh rev desmo engine
Casette type ratio-change gearbox
full CF bodywork and Mag just about everywhere..

It´s a diffrent beast.
 

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I think it's a possibility:
MotoGP and production racing bikes are different beasts, and you've seen their laptimes. Their difference are not in line with the difference in budget of each others' base model.
Would the D16 not follow those proportions, and for what reason?
 

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spalding12 said:
15K for the 1098 IS cheap
only 3.5K more than an R1...

that's CHEAP AS DIRT to me
LOL, that's how they got me. I figured wow, this bike is cool and not much more than the R1 so I'll go ahead and try it out. Then I read the specs on the S and put my deposit down the same day! :D
 

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but there is a difference there. even though msrp on an r1 may be 11.5k, no one in their right mind would actually pay that. honda's, kawisaki's, yamaha's, and suzuki's can all be had for much less than msrp. not so with ducati.

still worth the extra few thousand though :D
of course, most here think that the 999 is a better bike than any R1, GSX-R, etc...
and you can buy a new '06 999 for about 11.5 - 12K... just after 1900 Milan time/UTC+1... when the 1098 is OFFICIALLY announced... i guarantee
 

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LOL, that's how they got me. I figured wow, this bike is cool and not much more than the R1 so I'll go ahead and try it out. Then I read the specs on the S and put my deposit down the same day! :D
a WISE move, for sure
 

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Might be wrong, but I read somewhere that the D16 RR comes with free maintenance services for the life of the warranty? That'll save you a few grand, easy, especially if you actually ride it.
 

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that seems UNlikely
if they can get 65K from some deep-pocketed ducatisti... i'm sure they'll be happy to take 1-2K/year for maintenance... even if you DON'T ride it :p
 

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Do you know what I think?

I think you must have an awful lot of spare time on your hands, spalding12, judging from the number of posts you've written lately :eek: :D
 

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molasses said:
Do you know what I think?

I think you must have an awful lot of spare time on your hands, spalding12, judging from the number of posts you've written lately :eek: :D
Hey, I understand! ...He's a nervous expectant "father" :)
 

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dragknt said:
Might be wrong, but I read somewhere that the D16 RR comes with free maintenance services for the life of the warranty? That'll save you a few grand, easy, especially if you actually ride it.
True.

All D16RR owners have free service for the first 3 years.
That was a pretty safe thing for Ducati to offer.. What´s the cost of servicing if none of the bikes are ever ridden. :sleep:

Too bad.. :(

//amullo
 
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