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Curious how many miles and/or hours you guys are riding in a day when touring. I ran short on time on my trip and wound up squeezing in 1,500 in 4 days. Almost all of it not on the highway-meaning back roads/twisties, etc..

First day I rode from 2pm to 8pm. Second day 7am to noon. Third day from 7am to 5pm fourth day from 7am to 7pm. Of course these times were with stops. Longest being for a lunch. A few other stops for gas and water. Not much else.

I think on future trips I need to ride less each day. 10+ hour days back to back is maybe a bit much for the comfort level. Just have no gauge what is considered 'normal' for others.
 

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It is not a matter of "normal", it is a matter of safety. When fatigue sets in and your level of alertness diminishes to the point where you cannot react to the riding conditions, stop for a rest and/or call it a day.
 

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Very sound answer for sure. I'm sure peoples miles/times vary greatly. I have no doubt 10 hours on the road is too many. My guess is that I should cut this nearly in 1/2... Safety and not to mention stop and enjoy the sights more.
 

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When I tour, I never watch the clock, unless I've made arrangements to be somewhere by a specific time. I aim to ride twisties all the time and usually ride between 250 and 350 miles a day. Some days, I ride a little further. Occasionally, I ride much further. It all depends on how I'm feeling towards the end of the ride. :D

As Bill says, don't ride fatigued. It's not worth the risk. When I get to the point where I'm not enjoying the ride any more and I'm just pushing on regardless, I find a motel and bed down for the night.

On days when I feel like the energizer bunny and fatigue never seems to set in, I try to ride no later than 8pm. That way, I have enough time to find a motel, settle in and then grab a meal before the restaurants stop serving. :cool:
 

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IMHO 300-350 per day is OK 400+ by exception but not every day
 

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+1 on Turbo & Bill's advice and add in weather considerations.
Remember the idea is to enjoy your trips not make an endurance of it unless you are forced to :))
 

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This answer varies for each individual but for me I enjoy the "iron butt" riding pace. My recent trip of 900 plus miles was completed in 14 hours or so from VA to MIs Upper Peninsula . This pace though is interstate travel and cannot be maintained on rural 2 lane roads. I have been known to go to Maine for a lobster dinner and be home in the morning riding all night covering 1200 miles in 36 hours. I just do not get tired while riding because riding is just that stimulating to me. There are times I will not get off the bike when refueling. I just fill up and go another 180 miles.

Last May me and a buddy went on a 7 day 5,000 mile excursion out to the Yellowstone area and beyond. We both had a blast covering 2,000 miles in the first 48 hours then enjoying a more sedate 4-600 mile a day pace the rest of the trip.

My longest/fastest is 1,658 miles in 25:40 on my BMW R1150RT. The best on the ST3 so far is about 1200 in 30ish. 3 or 4 day 2000 mile rides on my 900ss/sp are also normal.

This to me is normal. To others it is considered unsafe. I have riding friends who would not even consider going anywhere with me besides a Saturday afternoon local ride.

Your riding style is your call and what you feel comfortable with. The people you ride with also need to be matched to your style if that is a consideration to you. I only have 1 person I ride with this way so normally I travel alone. The more people traveling together the less distance one can cover. My stops average 10 minutes. 1 person with me our stops stretch into the 30 minute mark. 3 people forget it. Stops can be an hour or longer just for fuel let alone lunch or dinner.

There was a guy on the bmwsporttouring board who averaged 650 miles a day for months on end gathering 100,000 plus miles. Check out www.ironbutt.com for extreme long distance stories.
 

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I'm with Bill & Turbo as well, when you start feeling tired shut it down, you'll live to ride tomorrow. I have knocked out over 700 miles of back road twistes in a day but i would not suggest it, I was one tired puppy. Generally I will ride 4~500 miles a day, more than that and mama starts slapping the back of my helmet.
 

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Thanks for all the replies. I was more interested in terms of comfort. Safety is of course #1 and up to each person. I know that there have been times where I'm tired in the first hour and times that I'm 10 hours into the day and feel great.

I for sure like to shut things down around the deer hour/dark when on back roads. Doesn't always work that way for one reason or another. (Looking forward to my DD headlight).

I just notice that after a full day of traveling, especially on day two I start to feel it here and there. Knees, elbows, wrists, etc.. But, I haven't been riding as much as in the past so that is to be expected.

As I've stated somewhere before. I do not have any friends that ride-period... So, it's kinda like going for a run, no idea if I'm fast or slow if there isn't anyone around to gauge my speed. Strider3 sounds rather intense! Nice work on some of those times. Sounds like when I was 18 driving my car to college. A few times I would drive solo from St. Louis, MO to Washington, D.C. in a straight shot. Totally NOT safe-no matter how many mountain dews you consume!

I think that I am more inclined to be around the 300 mile mark on any given day.

Thanks for some reference points.
 

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I do not have any friends that ride-period... So, it's kinda like going for a run, no idea if I'm fast or slow if there isn't anyone around to gauge my speed.
There are several ST owners in the Sacramento area including Scott (Mr. Ducati.MS). You should meet up with them sometime for a day ride.
 

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If you intend on joining others in a spot of group riding then I recall an excellent article posted on this forum some time back about how to do so safely and with consideration to othes.
I have carried out a search on here and my own computer files but without success , perhaps one of the others recalls it or can post it up.
Group Riding is a wonderful and very enjoyable pastime on a M/C but for the "newbie" it works best when there is an undeerstanding of whats involved and how to to not get sucked-in beyound one's own personal abilities/comfort zone at which point in can become dangerous and cease to be enjoyable.
 

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Though not new to riding-I've had bikes now for going on 15 years I would be new to group riding. And honestly, I've been intimidated to seek it out. For fear of being the weak link and feeling I need to push it. I'm a pretty mellow rider. Conservative but still have fun. I have no desire or intention to drag my exhaust or knees-at least on the street. I could see some day taking some courses at the track as I have NO doubt that this would make me an overall better rider.

I will search for the article. I have read a bunch about riding and group riding. Things like put your weakest rider in the front so they don't have to catch up, etc..

I'm sure everyone has varying opinions. But, for me to get involved in a group ride I NEED to know that the other riders would respect my level for better or worse, and also just be good people.
 

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Greeting from the Yukon, given the distances I have to ride to get "south" my initial days of travel are fairly long - 8am to 10 -11 pm. with periodic breaks for water/rest. so 7-8 hundred miles are in order. Bringing my ST3 back to the Yukon I played in lower BC so days were fairly short in length. Once I started the home trip I pushed long days, I find this bike quite comfortable and quieter than my old R100RS.
I am trying hard to lessen my daily travel so I can actually begin to explore the areas that I travel through; however, it is so much fun to ride this bike that this is going to be an ongoing challenge. Maybe a mix of marathon riding with a bit more planning is in order. I am planning a trip to the "four corners states" next fall - the marathon will be getting there from here - 3,000 miles or so, then slowing the pace down to enjoy the sights. Ride safe.

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Mike, given my recent trip and those in the past I believe more and more that not only for safety, but for mere pleasure it's nice to be able to stop and smell the roses... We all have time constraints for one reason or another. Money, family, work, etc..

I could see riding 800 miles a day on the freeway, I guess but that sounds rough, and not much time to check things out. I've driven from Tahoe to Anchorage in a car a few times, both times in February. That road can be sketchy in the winter to say the least.

Have fun on your 4 corners trip. That's a big one for sure. Just make sure you have the time to stop and check things out along the way. Lots to see everywhere..... I just know that on my recent trip I wish I had more time to spend walking around in the redwoods, enjoying the ocean, etc.. Now that I'm back, seems silly I didn't spend an extra day or two on the road.
 

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A good article on group riding, which may be the one everyone is mentioning, is "The Pace."

The Pace
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By Nick Lenatsch
(Originally published in Motorcyclist Magazine.)
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Racing involves speed, concentration and commitment; the results of a mistake are usually catastrophic because there's little room for error riding at 100 percent. Performance street riding is less intense and further from the absolute limit, but because circumstances are less controlled, mistakes and over aggressiveness can be equally catastrophic. Plenty of road racers have sworn off street riding. "To dangerous, to many variables and to easy to get carried away with too much speed," track specialists claim. Adrenaline-addled racers find themselves treating the street like the track, not surprisingly. Street racers get burned; by police, laws of physics, and the cold harsh realities of an environment not groomed for ten tenths riding. But as many of us know, a swift ride down a favorite road may be the finest way to spend a few free hours with a bike we love. And these few hours are best enjoyed riding at The Pace.

A year after I joined the Motorcyclist staff in 1984, Mitch Boehm was hired. Six months later, The Pace came into being, and we perfected it during the next few months of road testing and weekend fun rides. Now The Pace is part of my life - and a part of the Sunday-morning riding group I frequent. The Pace is a street technique that not only keeps street riders alive, but thoroughly entertained as well.
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THE PACE

The Pace focuses on bike control and de-emphasizes outright speed. Full-throttle acceleration and last minute braking aren't part of the program, effectively eliminating the two most common single-bike accident scenarios in sport riding. Cornering momentum is the name of the game, stressing strong, forceful inputs at the handlebar to place the bike correctly at the entrance of the turn and get it flicked in with little wasted time and distance. Since the throttle wasn't slammed open at the exit of the last corner, the next corner doesn't require much, if any, braking. It isn't uncommon to ride with our group and not see a brake light flash all morning.
If the brakes are required, the front lever gets squeezed smoothly, quickly and with a good deal of force to set entrance speed with minimum time. Running in on the brakes is tantamount to running off the road, a confession that you're pushing too hard and not getting your entrance speed set early enough because you stayed on the gas too long. Running The Pace decreases your reliance on the throttle and brakes, the two easiest controls to abuse, and hones your ability to judge cornering speed, which is the most thrilling aspect of performance street riding.
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YOUR LANE IS YOUR LIMIT

Crossing the centerline at any time except during a passing maneuver is intolerable, another sign that you're pushing too hard to keep up. Even when you have a clean line of sight through a left-hand kink, stay to the right of the centerline. Staying on the right side of the centerline is much more challenging than simply straightening every slight corner, and when the whole group is committed to this intelligent practice, the temptation to cheat is eliminated through peer pressure and logic. Though street riding shouldn't be described in racing terms, you can think of your lane as the racetrack. Leaving your lane is tantamount to a crash.
Exact bike control has you using every inch of your lane if the circumstances permit it. In corners with a clear line of sight and no oncoming traffic, enter at the far outside of the corner, turn the bike relatively late in the corner to get a late apex at the far inside of your lane and accelerate out, just brushing the far outside of your lane as your bike stands up. Steer your bike forcefully but smoothly to minimize the transition time; don't hammer it down because the chassis will bobble slightly as it settles, possibly carrying you off line. Since you haven't charged in on the brakes, you can get the throttle on early, before the apex, which balances and settles your bike for the drive out.

More often than not, circumstances do not permit the full use of your lane from yellow line to white line and back again. Blind corners, oncoming traffic and gravel on the road are a few criteria that dictate a more conservative approach, so leave yourself a three- or four-foot margin for error, especially at the left side of the lane where errant oncoming traffic could prove fatal. Simply narrow your entrance on a blind right-hander and move your apex into your lane three feet on blind left turns in order to stay free of unseen oncoming traffic hogging the centerline. Because you're running at The Pace and not flat out, your controlled entrances offer additional time to deal with unexpected gravel or other debris in your lane; the outside wheel track is usually the cleanest through a dirty corner since a car weights its outside tires most, scrubbing more dirt off the pavement in the process, so aim for that line.

A GOOD LEADER, WILLING FOLLOWERS

The street is not a racing environment, and it takes humility, assurance and self control to keep it that way. The leader sets the pace and monitors his mirrors for signs of raggedness in the ranks that follow, such as tucking in on straights, crossing over the yellow line and hanging off the motorcycle in corners. If the leader pulls away, he simply slows his straightaway speed slightly but continues to enjoy the corners, thus closing the ranks but missing none of the fun. The small group of three or four riders I ride with is so harmonious that the pace is identical no matter who's leading. The lead shifts occasionally with a quick hand sign, but there's never a pass for the lead with an ego on the sleeve. Make no mistake; riding is spirited and quick in the corners. Anyone with a right arm can hammer down the straights; it's the proficiency in the corners that makes The Pace come alive.

Following distances are relatively lengthy, with the straight ways - taken at more moderate speeds - the perfect opportunity to adjust the gaps. Keeping a good distance serves several purposes, besides being safer. Rock chips are minimized and the highway patrol won't suspect a race is in progress. The Pace's style of not hanging off in corners also reduces the appearance of pushing too hard and adds a degree of maturity and sensibility in the eyes of the public and the law. There's a definite challenge to cornering quickly while sitting sedately on your bike.

New rider indoctrination takes some time because The Pace develops very high cornering speeds and newcomers want to hammer the throttle on exits to make up for what they lose at the entrances. Our group slows drastically when a new rider joins the ranks because our technique of moderate straightaway speeds and no brakes can suck the unaware into a corner too fast, creating the most common single-bike accident. With a new rider learning The Pace behind you, tap your brake lightly well before the turn to alert him and make sure he understands there's no pressure to stay with the group.

There's plenty of ongoing communication during The Pace. A foot off the peg indicates debris on the road, and all slowing or turning intentions are signaled in advance with the left hand and arm. Turn signals are used for direction changes and passing, with a wave of the left hand to thank the cars that move right and make it easy for the motorcyclists to get past. Since you don't have a death grip on the handlebar, you left hand is also free to wave to oncoming riders, a fading courtesy that we'd like to see return. If you're getting the idea The Pace is a relaxing, noncompetitive way to ride with a group, you are right.

RELAX AND FLICK IT

I would rather enjoy Sunday in the mountains riding at the Pace, than at the racetrack, it is that enjoyable. Counter-steering is the name of the game, a smooth forceful steering input at the handlebar relayed to the tires contact patches through a rigid sport-bike frame. Riding at The Pace is certainly what the bike manufacturers had in mind when sport bikes evolved to the street.
But the machine isn't the most important aspect of running The Pace because you can do it on anything capable of getting through a corner. Attitude is The Pace's most important aspect; realizing the friend ahead of you isn't a competitor, respecting his right to lead the group occasionally and giving him credit for his riding skills. You must have the maturity to limit your straightaway speeds to allow the group to stay in touch and the sense to realize that racetrack tactics such as late braking and full throttle runs to redline will alienate the public and police and possibly introduce you to the unforgiving laws of gravity. When the group arrives at the destination after running The Pace, no one feels outgunned or is left with the feeling he must prove himself on the return run. If you've got something to prove, get on a racetrack.

The racetrack measures your speed with a stopwatch and direct competition, welcoming your aggression and gritty resolve to be the best. Performance street riding's only yardstick is the amount of enjoyment gained, not lap times, finishing position or competitors beaten. The differences are huge but not always remembered by riders who haven't discovered The Pace's cornering pureness and group involvement. Hammer on the racetrack. Pace yourself on the street.

PACE YOURSELF
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By Nick Lenatsch
(Nick's follow-up piece from Sport Rider magazine.)
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The street is not the track - It's a place to Pace
Two weeks go a rider died when he and his bike tumbled off a cliff paralleling our favorite road. No gravel in the lane, no oncoming car pushing him wide, no ice. The guy screwed up. Rider error. Too much enthusiasm with too little skill, and this fatality wasn't the first on this road this year. As with most single-bike accidents, the rider entered the corner at a speed his brain told him was too fast, stood the bike up and nailed the rear brake. Goodbye.
On the racetrack the rider would have tumbled into the hay bales, visited the ambulance for a strip of gauze and headed back to the pits to straighten his handlebars and think about his mistake. But let's get one thing perfectly clear: the street is not the racetrack. Using it as such will shorten your riding career and keep you from discovering the Pace. The Pace is far from street racing - and a lot more fun.

The Pace places the motorcycle in its proper role as the controlled vehicle, not the controlling vehicle. Too many riders of sport bikes become baggage when the throttle gets twisted - the ensuing speed is so overwhelming they are carried along in the rush. The Pace ignores outright speed and can be as much fun on a Ninja 250 as on a ZX-11, emphasizing rider skill over right-wrist bravado. A fool can twist the grip, but a fool has no idea how to stop or turn. Learning to stop will save your life; learning to turn will enrich it. What feels better than banking a motorcycle over into a corner?

The mechanics of turning a motorcycle involve pushing and/or pulling on the handlebars; while this isn't new information for most sport riders, realize that the force at the handlebar affects the motorcycle's rate of turn-in. Shove hard on the bars, and the bike snaps over; gently push the bars, and the bike lazily banks in. Different corners require different techniques, but as you begin to think about lines, late entrances and late apexes, turning your bike at the exact moment and reaching he precise lean angle will require firm, forceful inputs ant the handlebars. If you take less time to turn your motorcycle, you can use that time to brake more effectively or run deeper into the corner, affording yourself more time to judge the corner and a better look at any hidden surprises. It's important to look as far into the corner as possible and remember the adage, "You go where you look."

DON'T RUSH

The number-one survival skill, after mastering emergency braking, is setting your corner-entrance speed early, or as Kenny Roberts says, "Slow in, fast out." Street riders may get away with rushing into 99 out of 100 corners, but that last one will have gravel, mud or a trespassing car. Setting entrance speed early will allow you to adjust your speed and cornering line, giving you every opportunity to handle the surprise.

We've all rushed into a corner too fast and experienced not just the terror, but the lack of control when trying to herd the bike into the bend. If you're fighting the brakes and trying to turn the bike, any surprise will be impossible to deal with. Setting your entrance speed early and looking into the corner allows you to determine what type of corner you're facing. Does the radius decrease? Is the turn off-camber? Is there an embankment that may have contributed some dirt to the corner?
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Racers talk constantly about late braking, yet that technique is used only to pass for position during a race, not to turn a quicker lap time. Hard braking blurs the ability to judge cornering speed accurately, and most racers who rely too heavily on the brakes find themselves passed at the corner exits because they scrubbed off too much cornering speed. Additionally, braking late often forces you to trail the brakes or turn the motorcycle while still braking. While light trail braking is an excellent and useful technique to master, understand that your front tire has only a certain amount of traction to give.
If you use a majority of the front tire's traction for braking and then ask it to provide maximum cornering traction as well, a typical low-side crash will result. Also consider that your motorcycle won't steer as well with the fork fully compressed under braking. If you're constantly fighting the motorcycle while turning, it may be because you're braking too far into the corner. All these problems can be eliminated by setting your entrance speed early, an important component of running the Pace.

Since you aren't hammering the brakes at every corner entrance, your enjoyment of pure cornering will increase tremendously. You'll relish the feeling of snapping your bike into the corner and opening the throttle as early as possible. Racers talk about getting the drive started, and that's just as important on the street. Notice how the motorcycle settles down and simply works better when the throttle is open? Use a smooth, light touch on the throttle and try to get the bike driving as soon as possible in the corner, even before the apex, the tightest point of the corner. If you find yourself on the throttle ridiculously early, it's an indication you can increase your entrance speed slightly be releasing the brakes earlier.

As you sweep past the apex, you can begin to stand the bike up out of the corner. This is best done by smoothly accelerating, which will help stand the bike up. As the rear tire comes off full lean, it puts more rubber on the road, and the forces previously used for cornering traction can be converted to acceleration traction. The throttle can be rolled open as the bike stands up.
This magazine won't tell you how fast is safe; we will tell you how to go fast safely. How fast you go is your decision, but it's one that requires reflection and commitment. High speed on an empty four-lane freeway is against the law, but it's fairly safe. Fifty-five miles per hour in a canyon may be legal, but it may also be dangerous. Get together with your friends and talk about speed. Set a reasonable maximum and stick to it. Done right, the Pace is addicting without high straightaway speeds.

The group I ride with could care less about outright speed between corners; any Goober can twist a throttle. If you routinely go 100 mph, we hope you routinely practice emergency stops from that speed. Keep in mind outright speed will earn a ticket that is tough to fight and painful to pay; cruising the easy straight stuff doesn't attract as much attention from the authorities and sets your speed perfectly for the next sweeper.

GROUP MENTALITY

Straights are the time to reset the ranks. The leader needs to set a pace that won't bunch up the followers, especially while leaving a stop sign or passing a car on a two-lane road. The leader must use the throttle hard to get around the car and give the rest of the group room to make the pass, yet he or she can't speed blindly along and earn a ticket for the whole group. With sane speeds on the straights, the gaps can be adjusted easily; the bikes should be spaced about two seconds apart for maximum visibility of surface hazards.

It's the group aspect of the Pace I enjoy most, watching the bikes in front of me click into a corner like a row of dominoes, or looking in my mirror as my friends slip through the same set of corners I just emerged from.
Because there's a leader and a set of rules to follow, the competitive aspect of sport riding is eliminated and that removes a tremendous amount of pressure from a young rider's ego - or even an old rider's ego. We've all felt the tug of racing while riding with friends or strangers, but the Pace takes that away and saves it for where it belongs: the racetrack. The racetrack is where you prove your speed and take chances to best your friends and rivals.

I've spend a considerable amount of time writing about the Pace (see Motorcyclist, Nov. '91) for several reasons, not the least of which being the fun I've had researching it (continuous and ongoing). But I have motivations that aren't so fun. I got scared a few years ago when Senator Danforth decided to save us from ourselves by trying to ban super bikes, soon followed by insurance companies blacklisting a variety of sport bikes. I've seen Mulholland Highway shut down because riders insisted on racing (and crashing) over a short section of it. I've seen heavy police patrols on roads that riders insist on throwing themselves off of. I've heard the term "murder-cycles" a dozen times too many. When we consider the abilities of a modern sport bike, it becomes clear that rider techniques is sorely lacking.

The Pace emphasizes intelligent, rational riding techniques that ignore racetrack heroics without sacrificing fun. The skills needed to excel on the racetrack make up the basic precepts of the Pace, excluding the mind-numbing speeds and leaving the substantially larger margin for error needed to allow for unknowns and immovable objects. Our sport faces unwanted legislation from outsiders, but a bit of throttle management from within will guarantee our future.

PACE PRINCIPLES

Set cornering speed early, blow the entrance and you'll never recover.

Look down the road. Maintaining a high visual horizon will reduce perceived speed and help you avoid panic situations.

Steer the bike quickly. There's a reason Wayne Rainey works out - turning a fast-moving motorcycle takes muscle.

Use your brakes smoothly but firmly. Get on and then off the brakes; don't drag them.

Get the throttle on early. Starting the drive settles the chassis, especially through a bumpy corner.

Never cross the centerline except to pass. Crossing the centerline in a corner is an instant ticket and an admitance that you can't really steer your bike.
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In racing terms, your lane is your course; staying right of the line adds a significant challenge to most roads and is mandatory for sport riding's future.

Don't crowd the centerline. Always expect an oncoming car with two wheels in your lane.

Don't hang off in the corners or tuck in on the straights. Sitting sedately on the bike looks safer and reduces unwanted attention. It also provides a built-in safety margin.

When leading, ride for the group. Good verbal communication is augmented with hand signals and turn signals; change direction and speed smoothly.

When following, ride with the group. If you can't follow a leader, don't expect anyone to follow you when you're setting the pace.
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Very good article. I am extremely happy that much-if not all of it resonates with how I ride. I often define my good turns by how smooth and consistent I am not. Not by the speed. Like snow skiing, which I do a lot of, you don't look at the tips of your skis while skiing. You look ahead and keep focused on your next and following turns. You aren't looking at the speedo, or the tips of your skis-as this will take your concentration away from what's truly important.

I just took my girlfriend to lunch- a spot 30 miles away on a fun road. I of course ride the route faster when solo but I also found that concentrating on giving my girl the smoothest and most predictable ride was very fun to do as well. To me that is key.

Thanks again for taking the time to dig up the article. I can only hope you copied and pasted it-and didn't re-write it!

PS- is this the pace that's discussed....?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqzrz...layer_embedded

Come on man. Seriously? Seems so idiotic to ride wheelies in traffic, among other things.....
 

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It's all in what you want to do. When I'm touring the country, I try to average 350 miles a day and throw in some sight-seeing. If it is a two-day ride out to where I want to start sight-seeing, I hump it to the tune of 600-800 miles in a day. For weekend rides, I may only ride 300-400 miles at the most, but it takes 8-12 hours, sometimes more if we take extended stops for food. I've also done a SaddleSore 1000 which was 1031 miles in 19 hours and 43 minutes......it's all in what you want to accomplish for that day's riding.
 

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My daily mileage depends on many factors. I usually tour two-up on my Harley-Davidson Ultra Classic. My spouse won't ride on the Ducati anymore, as it "goes too fast and leans over too far." On the Icefields Parkway between Banff and Jasper, 175 miles in one day seemed too far to make the stops we desired. Bombing from home to Sturgis, South Dakota (550 miles) in one day was my longest ride, made more uncomfortable by the temp of 109 degrees.

When planning a trip, we consider geology, speed limits and distances between towns in determining our daily mileage. We average between 250 and 350 on average.
 

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Wow, cool, "joeychitwood". I also ride both Ducati ('05 ST3) and Harley ('05 Softail Deluxe, FLSTNi). And, like your case, my wife won't ride the Duc! (And, yeah, I'm real broken up 'bout that!) She gives the same reasons.

To the OP, you're obviously looking for as many data points as possible. I rarely go over 250 miles each day. I just don't care to. It ain't my kinda ridin' if the day involves much more riding than that.
 

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It's all in what you want to do. When I'm touring the country, I try to average 350 miles a day and throw in some sight-seeing. If it is a two-day ride out to where I want to start sight-seeing, I hump it to the tune of 600-800 miles in a day. For weekend rides, I may only ride 300-400 miles at the most, but it takes 8-12 hours, sometimes more if we take extended stops for food. I've also done a SaddleSore 1000 which was 1031 miles in 19 hours and 43 minutes......it's all in what you want to accomplish for that day's riding.
My days on the bike are similar to Desmo_Demon's. When I'm trying to get somewhere then I'll ride up to 700-800 miles each day. But when just touring around then 300-400 miles is an OK number. As noted, if you stop for extended lunches and one or more stops for sight seeing then reduce your planned mileage accordingly.

One thing that helps is having a good idea of how many miles you are comfortable trying to cover per hour. Traveling the interstate routes I know that I can cover 700 miles in about 12 hours, roughly a 60mph overall average. My moving average for this is somewhere about 70mph. I have to keep my gas stops short; basically a "Fuel in the bike tank, quick run into the bathroom, swill down some water, and go!" stop. I use this approach when I need to get somewhere reasonably quickly.

On any other type of road, US routes, etc., the overall average drops down to 50mph and less pretty quickly. If they're just touring around most people only ride for 6 or 7 hours each day.
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