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So, let me sum up what I've read from about umpteen-billion posts here, and you all can check if my understanding is correct:

1. The suspension on the GT1000 from the factory kinda sucks (especially the forks). The front fork springs are too light(?), and the cartridges are poo, resulting in that 'jackhammer operator' feeling on less-than-perfect asphalt, especially if you're a 'big boy' or ride 2-up.

2. The stock forks are cartridge-based, and therefore cannot be rebuilt in any substantial way.

3. The options for upgrading the front forks are as follows:
  • Replace the fork springs ($) with a more appropriate version (Race Tech, Hyperpro), based on rider weight. This will help quite a bit over stock, but not work as well as...
  • Install replacement Showa adjustable shocks ($$) from an S4R or ST3/4(?). The problem seems to be that there's no consensus as to which ones will or won't fit (i've read yes and no answers from people on virtually all of them). However, the 2010 GT1000 has Showa forks as standard*, which might mean there are some coming out that'd be a perfect fit - but that's at least 6-9 months out, likely. This will help A LOT over stock, but not work as well as...
  • Install a cartridge upgrade such as Traxxion Dynamics or similar ($$$) in the existing forks, which basically turns them into a higher-spec fork.This will be an enormous improvement over stock, but not work quite as well as...
  • Replace the forks with Ohlins forks($$$$$) and have them adjusted properly for rider weight.

Did I miss anything, or is this an accurate summary of the options?


* Maybe. The Ducati web site actually contradicts itself in a couple places on this point; one page says "43mm fully adjustable Showa forks" another says "Marzocchi 43mm usd forks" so who knows what'll actually be there.
 

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I can't answer all your questions, but the ST3 forks are not fully adjustable. However, the ST3S and ST4 forks are. I believe some SS forks will also fit, but they may be a bit longer which could be an issue if you have the GT (handlebars v. clip-ons).
 

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I found two-up riding with the stock suspension and wheels to be a delight. It was as though that's what the bike was designed to do. The additional weight seemed to really smooth things out, so I drew the opposite conclusion from yours: I believe that it's the lighter riders that suffer the most with the GT's stock suspension. As I weigh in at 170 lbs. and seldom ride two up, I had to do something. The first step was to get rid of those heavy steel wheels and look for any improvement. With OEM light alloy wheels, I noted that the suspension could now keep up with road surface irregularities. The tendancy to head shake went away. Plans to upgrade the suspension went out the window. I'd have to call the suspension good now. Not perfect, but good, and it's gotten better with use. The bike is comfortable, and perfect for the kind of riding that I do.
 

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And even if you get a set of "fully adjustable" forks from another bike, it doesn't mean that they will be right for you. It also depends on your weight compared to the weight that the forks were originally setup to work with.

If you read many of the posts where people have put in adjustable forks from another bike, they have first sent them off to a suspension specialist to have them rebuilt to their weight and requirements (eg road/track).

I have non-adjustable (except for preload) forks off an ST3, but had them rebuilt, and I couldn't be happier with them.

Oops, just reread your post, and in point D you have noted what I have just written, except I don't think you need to spend the big dollars on Ohlins. The Showas can be rebuilt.

Rob
 

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The first step was to get rid of those heavy steel wheels and look for any improvement. With OEM light alloy wheels, I noted that the suspension could now keep up with road surface irregularities. The tendancy to head shake went away. Plans to upgrade the suspension went out the window. I'd have to call the suspension good now. Not perfect, but good, and it's gotten better with use. The bike is comfortable, and perfect for the kind of riding that I do.
I replaced my stock suspension with Showa s4 forks. It was an improvement, but not great - I needed too much damping to control the excessive unsprung weight. It was only when I put on the Carozzeria wheels that the handling really worked.
 

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The stock suspension is better than stock Bonneville suspension by a way, but still jarring over bumps. While I admire the front end change outs guys have been doing, I think new wheels and fork springs will make a great improvement.
 

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* Maybe. The Ducati web site actually contradicts itself in a couple places on this point; one page says "43mm fully adjustable Showa forks" another says "Marzocchi 43mm usd forks" so who knows what'll actually be there.
Whew, you actually got me a bit excited there, so I went to check it out. I did see where the Showas are listed but, unfortunately, assuming the photos are of a 2010 model, it still has the old non-adjustable Marzocchis on it.

Kind of a shame really. At the factory level another $500 would fix 95% of what is wrong with this bike. Instead, we owners get to fix it at much higher cost.

Imagine if they offered even a $1200 wheel and suspension upgrade package at order time... Who wouldn't go for it? Cast 7-spokes, Showa front, rear shocks from the biposto, Brembo 4-pads. Done.
 

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I certainly would have gone for an upgrade like that, especially having read the concerns about suspension on this forum before I bought my GT. Even a pair of more period-specific cast wheels would be great - I have no problem putting cast wheels on a 70s retro bike in place of the spoked wheels, but having some that are more fitting to that decade would be great.

That said, those 749/999 10-spokes are very pretty.
 
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