[DucmanST3]

Speedmonkey: How we would fix MotoGP

 

[cb4265]

Good read, thanks.

They didn't mention silly tyre (tire) rules though.

Craig

 

[Alpha]

Well they need to start listening to the riders more. Stoner has already expressed his anguish with the CRT bikes. I like the idea of Collin Edwards to make the 2012 prototypes available as satellite rides in 2013.

 

[Alpha]

Good read, thanks.

They didn't mention silly tyre (tire) rules though.

Craig

I totally agree. They need to go back to allowing different makes of tires, like Michelin and Dunlop. They also need to do whatever it takes to get Suzuki and Kawasaki back involved in the sport. Its time to take a step backwards and do what has worked in the past.

 

[SP3]

Good read, thanks.

They didn't mention silly tyre (tire) rules though.

Craig

they did, in a way, when they said that standardizing MORE parts would help fix things. another fail.

 

[Matt_P]

freeze the rules so the budget teams can use the previous years' bikes and allow tire wars...

 

[Matt_P]

ps, the problems in MotoGP right now remind me of the recession problems here in Greece and in Europe in general...

As long as politics and hidden interests ($$$) are in the way, these seemingly logical and simple fixes to unnecessarily complicated problems will never see the light of day.

So far Dorna has made it possible to make loads of money without providing a quality product for us, the consumer, and they'll continue to do so until people just stop caring about MotoGP.

Here's to watching more wsbk...

 

[Paisanoracer]

ps, the problems in MotoGP right now remind me of the recession problems here in Greece and in Europe in general...

As long as politics and hidden interests ($$$) are in the way, these seemingly logical and simple fixes to unnecessarily complicated problems will never see the light of day.

So far Dorna has made it possible to make loads of money without providing a quality product for us, the consumer, and they'll continue to do so until people just stop caring about MotoGP.

Here's to watching more wsbk...

The corporate mentality at its ugliest. "Why change something that's making sack-loads of money?"

 

[MTScott2]

I ask buddies if they happened to see the races . they reply the coverage is hard to follow and can't tell the difference between who is who....
Races interupted by flo every 10 mimutes makes one want to change the channel...

We get taken to the cleaners by insurance companies and yet they have enough profit to own the races seen on tv, (Usually the only advertisers up here)

You SHOULD start fans off at a young age , let them into the pits ...

If I was to say take some of the NASCAR we love our fans type of mentality...What would the response be here by the hard core race fans here???

People have only so much ENTERTAINMENT money to spend...
So they go for the biggest bang for the buck. (families)

You have to bring the experience to the regular folk who are going to spend $$$ for the EVENT (more than just the race)

With all the negative press about Motorcycles , 1%ers and the Squids preforming for the Media , we need some squeeky clean riders for the regular folk to hold in high esteem...

 

[DucmanST3]

Good read, thanks.

They didn't mention silly tyre (tire) rules though.

Craig

Well I tried but I can't think of a major racing series that doesn't have a spec tire. There's a reason for that.

 

[Alpha]

Well I tried but I can't think of a major racing series that doesn't have a spec tire. There's a reason for that.

and what reason is that?

 

[DucmanST3]

and what reason is that?

You could read this
Spec Tire Racing 3 Ways - Sport Rider Magazine

 

[cb4265]

Well I tried but I can't think of a major racing series that doesn't have a spec tire. There's a reason for that.

The problem is that Bridgestone only give the riders and manufactures a choice of two compounds, a medium or a hard, & those compounds vary at different tracks around the world.

They want & need more choices like the 3 f & 4 r they get offered by Pireli in WSB

Craig

 

[davy.j]

And it's not just the compounds, the carcass stiffness is a major factor in suiting a particular bike... or not.
A stiff carcasss like they presently run takes a lot longer to heat up on a bike that doesn't load the front as much as say.. a Yamaha.

.

 

[Paisanoracer]

Well I tried but I can't think of a major racing series that doesn't have a spec tire. There's a reason for that.

Of course there's a reason. It's called payola.

 

[cb4265]

And it's not just the compounds, the carcass stiffness is a major factor in suiting a particular bike... or not.
A stiff carcasss like they presently run takes a lot longer to heat up on a bike that doesn't load the front as much as say.. a Yamaha.

.

Exactly, but I was trying to keep it simple.

It's hard enough trying to educate mugs as it is.

Craig

 

[SP3]

You could read this
Spec Tire Racing 3 Ways - Sport Rider Magazine

If you did, you could have stopped very early on where is said:

"And thus it will never go back to tire companies competing against each other. Money is to be made by the series promoters in "commercial fees," and the tire men can make money by selling tires-at least some of them-instead of competing with other brands to make money."

and you would known all you need to know. If you really believe that spec tires make things 'better' then all parts should be spec. It would make things 'better' still, right? And if you REALLY want to make things as 'better' as possible, then the only thing that can be done is to have a world full of one make series, correct? Why have anyone compete against another at all?

That's the logic used so let's just get it over with. The shows will be great, right?

 

[MTScott2]

Are we rooting for thr riders or the Bike Brand or the Tire manufacturers??
Is the rules to make it a race against riders or against brands?

I think they should have an even playing field and no one company should have an unfair huge advantage because of special parts...
when some big deep pocketed company can throw all kinds of money and win there should be changing situations to even out the playing field...

All this to make races more interesting and not have a few bikes at the top of the pack and others have no chance of being close...
Yeah it is about developing new technology .
But if you win all the time no one wants to play with you...
Just my thoughts and they are likely full of holes...
It was an interesting article!!!

 

[MTScott2]

Think of boxing or fight sports when the big name gets to choose opponets...
Or GOLF when players choose where they play and against who...

Then you end up with winners who would not be winners if they were forced to play against opponets that were likely adversarys...

Stratagy in equipment choices and setting up the bike for the track , makes for good racing...
Giving away trade secrets is not what it is about either...

There is certainly lots of room for improvement in getting fans attracted to the sport, and MAKING it GROW...
Lots of work to do...
Maybe it will have to become more NASCAR like to attract $$$ and fans...Im not suggesting that everybody become like the NASCAR fans (picture that any way you want to) and sell out to marketing...

The old days when I first heard a ROLLING STONES song in an ADVERTISEMENT,I felt they SOLD OUT...
Now everybody does it...
Times are a changing...

 

[SP3]

Are we rooting for thr riders or the Bike Brand or the Tire manufacturers??
Is the rules to make it a race against riders or against brands?

I think they should have an even playing field and no one company should have an unfair huge advantage because of special parts...
when some big deep pocketed company can throw all kinds of money and win there should be changing situations to even out the playing field...

All this to make races more interesting and not have a few bikes at the top of the pack and others have no chance of being close...
Yeah it is about developing new technology .
But if you win all the time no one wants to play with you...
Just my thoughts and they are likely full of holes...
It was an interesting article!!!

That is a perfect example of the recent change in attitude of what competition is. If you want it to only be about the rider (which it has NEVER been), then it has to be a one make series AND the bikes cannot worked on by a dedicated crew. Why? Because they will make adjustments for that rider. That adjustment is the simplest form of an 'unfair advantage' (a completely bullshit term). One mfr builds the bikes and the riders get a random bike, every session, from the pool and race with zero adjustments. If you allow just one small change to be made for the rider that another one doesn't get, it's no longer about the rider.

The money issue is a red herring, too. One team will always have more than another. Doesn't mean they will always win but it helps. Making things (supposedly) cheaper doesn't do a thing to help the little team because the big team will spend their extra cash on something else to make the machine/team/rider/equipment better (safer/more reliable/faster). Make another part spec, spend money elsewhere. Make the whole thing spec, spend it other ways. Stay at closer/nicer hotels for more/better sleep and everyone performs better. Eat better food. Spend on direct or charter flights instead of four layovers. More/better tools. More spares. The only fix to that issue would be to have all the funds collected and distributed equally by the series officials. BUT, then one team will have someone better at budgeting (already part of the game) - no longer about the rider. Again.

Tangent? Sure. But all true.