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We'll adapt. I totally agree that we should be taking better care of this spacecraft we live on, global warming or not. It's the only home we have and we should not be taking it for granted.I agree we can’t stop it, but we need to do everything we can to reduce the impact. If we do nothing it will be worse. If we don’t plan ahead for what we’re going to do, especially in the coastal areas, we will make the disaster much much worse. We’ve already waited way too long. There are way too many people in denial. I can see nothing will be done until it’s far too late. I fear for my grandchildren and the future of our planet.
I agree we can’t stop it, but we need to do everything we can to reduce the impact. If we do nothing it will be worse. If we don’t plan ahead for what we’re going to do, especially in the coastal areas, we will make the disaster much much worse. We’ve already waited way too long. There are way too many people in denial. I can see nothing will be done until it’s far too late. I fear for my grandchildren and the future of our planet.
OK, we'd better do something about the volcanos also.Anyone who thinks that man can't change the environment on earth is wrong. Imagine how many trees have been cut down (and not replaced) alone in the last 10,000 years.
If fishing wasn't regulated we could literally fish the oceans to the point of being empty.
Anyone wanna revisit southern Cali in the 70's and enjoy some smog.
Look at the temp's for the last decade. Records are being set regularly for heat. The scientific community is in agreement that this is happening.
The scientific community is in agreement that this is happening.
Here are the facts sir... Have at it.That's right! Time to start preferring truth over facts!
But punishing ourselves for past sins helps no one. For example, me punishing you for something your father did (so to speak) is not productive, nor moral.These days the trouble I'm having with these discussions is that we all are making this about CO2, CO2 and nothing else, sure this is very convenient, we get to point the finger at China, India, developing nations, we get to feel good about ourselves, forgetting how we polluted on our way to getting developed.
China buys our recycleables, as does India, as raw material for making raw plastics that are used to make plastic goods ... which we buy back as products. What countries such as they are dumping into the oceans are single use plastic products.Once we start talking about waste, common scrap, garbage, a very different picture emerges, suddenly the cleanest nations now becomes the most wasteful nations, New Zealand, Norway, Switzerland, the USA, the biggest exporter of waste in the world, by a big margin. Just think about that for a moment, one country exporting its waste (exporting its own garbage for crying out loud) to another country and then blaming that country for its pollution.
The USA is a nation of 330 million people, and growing every year. Those people need to be fed, require power, and clothes on their backs. Their children need good schools, and roads to transport those children to those good schools. And let's remember the immigrants that flock to the USA every minute of every day that we're supposed to be compassionate towards, welcome with open arms, feed, provide medical care for, and provide jobs for so they too can participate in the American Dream. All of that I just listed translates into "consumption".I'm not even gonna start on consumption.
I think it is more of a problem that far too many of those seeking power and wealth to lord over the proletariat seem to think we all live on "Planet USA" .... the USA isn't a planet ... the USA isn't responsible for all of the world's ills. It is as you said, we all live on the same rock. But power seekers in the USA act as though the USA is it's own planet ... that if the USA spends mega-money on what the USA produces/consumes everything will become golden and a new paradise will emerge. It is they that forget we all live on a spacial body that all humans share. Until alllllll nations begin acting even a little bit as the USA does in regards to cleaner energy, and less waste, the USA can tax itself into nationwide poverty with a military so weak it could be toppled by one of the giant wasters and it won't help shit.I dunno, it just seems that we all are forgetting that we all share the same world.
Absolutely. We have to be pretty arrogant to suggest that humans altered the climate of an entire planet. And yes, the volcano thing is a fact that's predominately ignored but, yes, the ice cap et al data is scary. OK, having said that, there is no excuse for us polluting beyond a reasonably economic and controllable level. Recycle your shit (glass, oil, plastic, steel etc), plant trees and put LED's in your house. Yes, there's a lot we can do and are doing every day. I know I am and have been all my life - but I love my IC engines.It's impossible to keep politics out of a debate on climate change, purely because the very notion of climate change and how humans have effected it or can change it is politically driven.
It is preposterous to believe that we (people) can effect the temperature of our planet by our behaviour, sure, we can over fish certain areas of the ocean, we can pollute the skies and create smog that's harmful to us but the geological time line shows events like ice ages and what not, does the government think they can avert one of those? it's a hiccup in the history of the planet, the change in temperature will rise and fall, it has done for eons before we arrived and it will do long after we're gone.
The Volcano example is perfect, relevant and valid, so were the plant eating dinosaurs farting methane when they inhabited the place. Just because the current apex predator has the ability to organise, think and be so smug to believe we are capable of challenging mother earth the politicians have seen the opportunity to tax the lemmings. The scientific community that supports climate change are of course funded by the same political machine that need fuel for the propaganda that drives their taxation policy.....
The industrial revolution was all well and good when it was 1st world countries making all the money and with it pollution, now 2nd and 3rd world countries like India are finding their feet their industrial revolution undercutting unionised 1st world country labour is filthy and killing our planet and must be stopped... Puhleeeze! Hypocrites, the lot of em.