[raebear]

+1 to TimOz

As a general rule; a good aggressive db rider can easily become a good street rider, the reverse is not always true. Those rare events of weirdness that happen on the street, happen almost hourly (or more) on a db. You learn the limits of you and your bike quickly, how to power slide, loft your wheel, set your speed b4 the corner so the suspension is set b4 beginning your arc and then accelerating through, trail braking the rear for a little line adjustment, riding smooth, etc etc.

these are the pucker factor

 

[BR Yankee]

Guys I'm not trying to start a flame thread here but I grew up riding and racing moto-x and have done some road racing and track days. I think for most people the GAS IT technique would probably lead to more issues. I don't have a problem with it but I think the safer more applicable method for most is as I stated earlier.

Just my 2 cents

 

[EagleRider]

I am a very firm believer that dirt bike riding makes you a much better road rider...

Well, it certainly can help prepare you not to panic in slides. But dirt experience can also get you into trouble if you don't adjust for the street.

There was a recent post to this forum where a new Hypermotard rider blew a turn and crashed, and was asking for street riding advice after years of dirt experience appeared to have failed him on the road.

And he was right to ask, since road riding is not identical to dirt. For example, the rear brake is very useful and important in he dirt, where front traction is often unreliable, but - unless your bike has effective, linked, ABS - relying on the rear brake too much on the street can get you killed. On the street, the front is key!

Similarly, gassing it when you loose front traction is THE ANSWER on dirt, but definitely not always so on the street. Same goes for slappers.

The answer to safe, controlled, riding on the street is experience on the road, IN ADDITION to dirt experience, and track days if you can get them.

 

[Wild Bill]

You're right.. not a thing wrong with the bike, except that it was designed for crisp turn in.

However, in my 28 years of riding experience both on and off road, the only solution to fixing the start of a tank slapper is to give the bike full throttle. Loading the front end via brake, reduction of throttle or any other method (leaning forward, etc) results in the same or more wobble. Hit the gas, lean back, ride lose (don't death grip the bars) and it'll fix your problem 100% of the time.

Thanks for the advice. I will keep that in mind. Obviously since it was the first time, my a** puckered and slowing down seemed good to me.

Bill

 

[Kitesurfer]

Lots of good advice here, but for any noobs, please be careful when "testing" any of the techniques. There are so many subtly different scenarios that some techniques apply very well in one and very badly in another.

A good example of "a little bit of knowledge is dangerous" is the common misinterpretation of the California Superbike School level 1 basic skill of continuously opening the throttle during the turn. Each turn is different: radius, camber, surface, etc. not to mention whether or not you've positioned the bike correctly as you enter... I've heard experienced instructors tell noobs that if they feel they're not going to make it around the corner, they shouldn't brake or roll off the gas: they should "gas it" to make the bike turn tighter!

Of course this can work (witness Casey Stoner on T3 Phillip Island), but if the bike is in the wrong place and still has plenty of rear traction, gassing it will merely make the inevitable crash more painful.

I guess all I'm saying, is you need to consider the entire scenario before applying any particular "magic cure".

 

[BR Yankee]

I guess all I'm saying, is you need to consider the entire scenario before applying any particular "magic cure".

Good point, there's no silver bullet that's applicable for every scenario.