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I know there's been some discussion around resale values on our bikes, and I"m considering selling mine, which is an emotionally charged and healthily resistent matter concerning a modded P.S. carrying about 11k miles. It's cherry. Or more specifically, it's an 11k mile cherry. It's my Cherry.

Most of the SC owners I know really, really love their bikes. In many ways they're more devoted than other people with other bikes. Even other Ducati owners. We seem to go beyond the normal level of fondness that most bike owners do - like assigning names to them, dreaming about them during the day while attempting to have a conversation with another person; spending countless hours deciding on whether or not to change their looks a bit; filming them. Spending waaay too much time on this forum. A few of us wiggle our fingers and tools up inside 'em. Oh yes. I'v'e done all this shit. And while I'm not suggesting that these activities are exclusive to SC owners, I've noticed that we do seem to go further. I could be wrong, but it seems to me that SC folks tend to have a certain set of values and ideas about how the world should be, which are somehow encapsulated in these bikes. They're very complicated these bikes.

And this brings me to the point of the thread. Things of course happen in life, right? Situations change and as certain paths reveal themselves to us, we sometimes find ourselves re-evaluating what we thought were lifelong commitments. Like selling your Ducati PS. That's right. It happens. You let some Rationale in the door, and the next thing you know he's got you in a sleeper hold, and the next thing you know after that, you're wondering how much that beautiful thing in the garage is worth. Whatever. It's where I am at the moment. Point being, I thought that SC owners might understand a bit of this conundrum and act as excellent advisors/therapists/analysts.

So here's what's involved: A good amount of Rizoma bling, custom seat, 2-tone powdered Marchesinis - there's a lightened flywheel, FBF drop in piston kit, zard w/ ecu, brembos, speedymoto battery relocator kit, etc. The bike is in excellent working order, maintained by the Desmotosport and Munroe Motors in San Francisco. Both are great shops. A lot of love has gone into it, and though it's definitely got some bling that purists might dislike (uh, yeah...gold?) - it actually makes the bike pop - lending a bit of hotrod awesomeness, which combined w/ the zards gives it some unexpected balls-and-dick-out-at-the-design-awards-show to it. Sorry for the genitalia analogy, but there's really no other way to describe it. Still, even Art Directors like my bike - a lot. Skinny jeans and Harley guys, coming up to gawk. People who obviously have no idea about motorcycles asking 'what kind of bike is that? How old is it?' I live in San Francisco. I have people in unitards walking up in the middle of the day to come talk to me about my bike. Someone in a Volvo almost killed several pedestrians so he could pull up next to me to give me a raucus thumbs up. I think he was Italian. I've met A LOT of people just sitting nearby my bike. Even my father, who never liked motorcycles, started giggling like a sugar-high kid when I revved the engine for him. Minus the unitard thing, I'm sure all of us has had similar experiences. It's actually an amazing, life expanding thing, these bikes. I mean, I meet someone new almost every time I go out for a ride. If you think about how many more people you'd know if you met someone new everyday, the life enhancing and life changing potential is enormous. How does one put a value on that?

So I'm sure by now that the therapists among you are like, dude, you obviously need to keep the bike. Which is perhaps true. I don't know yet. On the other hand, I just get a little pumped up thinking about it. I'd planned to keep the P.S. (Porn Star) forever, and therefore nabbed up some of the hard to find bits: comfort seat, extra tank (just in case) and the large tank bag, DP riser bars. All of which I'd like to include as a package in the sale. How can you separate those things. I still have the important stock stuff, like the mirrors, clutch cover, battery hanger. Screw the stock exhaust. I mean really, f**k that exhaust. I think Ducati hired someone special, based primarily on the largess of their anus, to design the stock exhaust on this bike. I wouldn't want my bike near it. Please let's not even discuss it. And no, I never even had it. The previous owner, a man of taste and decency, I think he peed on it.

So, she's dynoe'd at 90rwhp. Not bad.

Not bad at all.

Well, there you have it. The basic facts and the mind numbing rationale behind it all. After writing this, I"m thinking the price should be somewhere to the tune of fourteen hundred thousand dollars (u.s.). But I'm also thinking I would benefit from some other opinions. Please, blaze away!
 

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Couple of questions:

How much is Fourteen hundred thousand? $1.4M? that seems excessive so I assumed you meant $14K, which with all you bling should be fair. You'll find a buyer somewhere in the world.

What prompts you to sell it if you love your bike so much?
 

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The one thing I've realized about the SC line is what an absolute brilliant concept they are/were/will ever be, thanks to Terblanche. What he realized, that Ducati hasn't, nor other manufacturers, with most of their other bike models, is how to link the past and present together. More specifically, Terblanche understood that if he could create a series of bikes that:
1) appealed to those of us who grew up in the 70s (and before) who have retained the recession-70s mindset of 'doing it yourself' and 'self expression'
2) were priced accessibly
3) could use parts from the larger Ducati catalog

then he would succeed in his over all goal of creating a time traveling machine. Think about it. The joy, interest and enthusiasm that resounds when a SC is present has to do with, I believe, people remembering a little bit of their past at an unexpected moment. Feeling the nostalgia of their childhood/earlier years, triggered through a beautiful representation of mechanical art that is a unique blend of old and new.

Personally, I've always had a soft spot for 'classic' cars and motorcycles. But I also always wanted to make them better, so they would last, and even be able to compete with the latest models in the hopes that the vision and passion of an earlier time could continue to live on and inspire others. Maybe even to help people realize that consumerist concepts of 'old' and 'new' are artificial constructs. What really matters, and why I love my SC, is that I see myself in its form and function, in it's promise and possibility. When I look deeply into my SC, I see my 13 yr old-self looking back and smiling.

I wouldn't sell it...ever. Or more appropriately: "You can have my Ducati SportClassic when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers."


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are we talking about sportclassic's or are we talking about PaulSmart's? ;)

it all comes down to you. it'll probably be split 50/50 on here from members telling you to sell or to keep. at the end of the day you gotta pull the trigger on what you wanna do. it seems like a lot of love, time, and money has gone into yours. can you even put a value on that? probably. will you regret selling? yes. do you need the money? we dont know. but it looks like you've got some soul searching to do..

it could probably fetch over 14k. but you gotta pick the right month. PS's seem to be the iceing on the cake in the SC line. its never an easy decision to let one go. best of luck. having just bought one my emotions have been instantly multiplied from the feelings i had over my GT.

to each their own. my vote - keep
 

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Sure, it is cash sitting in the garage but how much do you clear at the end? Will you have to buy another later to fill the regret of selling it and in the long term will you lose more $$$ than you made?
 

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I sold my PS for about that much although it had 16k miles. About the same amount of mods, Alpinas and Arrow. Things do change and for me, when the thought about selling it started appearing I knew it was time. I don't regret the decision although friends can't believe I made it.

No doubt Terblanche had it right and the SCs attract attention but these are motorcycles, not your children. There are a lot of great bikes and there may be something else you wish to try.

I suspect you will get the "just keep it and add XXXXXXX to your garage" posts. In my case I can't afford to do that. I also know that when these are going for a million dollars in 30 years I won't be around to collect anyway.
 

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Paul Smarts have been hitting near $18k recently on eBay, depending on mods and miles.

As to whether to sell or not, I guess that just depends on your situation. If you have some specific reason you need the money, and especially if that reason involves another person's or your own well being, then of course sell. If you don't need the money but can't help but see the dollar signs, well that's up to you. I've never understood people who want money just for the sake of having money. Life is short, money is just a means to live it the way you want to. So in this case, if you can think of some use for the money that will bring you more long term happiness than the bike, go for it and don't look back. If you can't, that's when you'll end up regretting the sale
 

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Couple of questions:

How much is Fourteen hundred thousand? $1.4M? that seems excessive so I assumed you meant $14K, which with all you bling should be fair. You'll find a buyer somewhere in the world.



What prompts you to sell it if you love your bike so much?
I meant $1.4M. There was whiskey involved in that assesment.

Lots of elements are going into this: Multiple bikes in the garage. Riding habits are changing to approx 50% track 50% practical. Neither of which the PS truly excels at. Just sold my 749r tracker and bought a street legal rc8r as an excercise in cosolidation (street/track). Now the question of what to consolidate. The ktm 950sm (practical, fun, awesome) or the P.S. (beautiful, fun, special). A big part of this is that my wife and I had twins half a year ago. The extra money that the PS would bring over the 950 would be well spent on kiddies (and tires) ;)
 

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The one thing I've realized about the SC line is what an absolute brilliant concept they are/were/will ever be, thanks to Terblanche. What he realized, that Ducati hasn't, nor other manufacturers, with most of their other bike models, is how to link the past and present together. More specifically, Terblanche understood that if he could create a series of bikes that:
1) appealed to those of us who grew up in the 70s (and before) who have retained the recession-70s mindset of 'doing it yourself' and 'self expression'
2) were priced accessibly
3) could use parts from the larger Ducati catalog

then he would succeed in his over all goal of creating a time traveling machine. Think about it. The joy, interest and enthusiasm that resounds when a SC is present has to do with, I believe, people remembering a little bit of their past at an unexpected moment. Feeling the nostalgia of their childhood/earlier years, triggered through a beautiful representation of mechanical art that is a unique blend of old and new.

Personally, I've always had a soft spot for 'classic' cars and motorcycles. But I also always wanted to make them better, so they would last, and even be able to compete with the latest models in the hopes that the vision and passion of an earlier time could continue to live on and inspire others. Maybe even to help people realize that consumerist concepts of 'old' and 'new' are artificial constructs. What really matters, and why I love my SC, is that I see myself in its form and function, in it's promise and possibility. When I look deeply into my SC, I see my 13 yr old-self looking back and smiling.

I wouldn't sell it...ever. Or more appropriately: "You can have my Ducati SportClassic when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers."


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Exactly. For me it's 'the unique blend of old and new' which seals the deal on the greatness of these bikes, and makes them more interesting than some of the other 'nostalgic' models out there, which seemed to be priced at a premium for crappy brakes and wheels. I could never get over the feeling that I'd be a sucker for buying them, even though I might like them.
 

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are we talking about sportclassic's or are we talking about PaulSmart's? ;)

it all comes down to you. it'll probably be split 50/50 on here from members telling you to sell or to keep. at the end of the day you gotta pull the trigger on what you wanna do. it seems like a lot of love, time, and money has gone into yours. can you even put a value on that? probably. will you regret selling? yes. do you need the money? we dont know. but it looks like you've got some soul searching to do..

it could probably fetch over 14k. but you gotta pick the right month. PS's seem to be the iceing on the cake in the SC line. its never an easy decision to let one go. best of luck. having just bought one my emotions have been instantly multiplied from the feelings i had over my GT.

to each their own. my vote - keep

When it comes to price, I'm talking about P.S. As it pertains to the question of selling, it's about either the SC or PS since they're both items of devotion by many of the folks on this forum.

I've got kids and an expensive hobby, and I'm not a millionaire, so money would definitely be well spent elsewhere. I also like to keep my 'toys' to a reasonable level, where I feel like I'm putting use to them as opposed to 'collecting', which just isn't my style.

So while money is not the driving force of the sale, it also is. What I mean by that is, looking back I will have wanted to think that yes, I enjoyed the hell out of the bike - both riding it and tinkering with it - and that yes, I only sold it because I got a reasonable price for it, whose funds went to something else of value, i.e. stuff for the family.

Make sense? Sorry if this is becoming obnoxious btw.
 

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are we talking about sportclassic's or are we talking about PaulSmart's? ;)

it all comes down to you. it'll probably be split 50/50 on here from members telling you to sell or to keep. at the end of the day you gotta pull the trigger on what you wanna do. it seems like a lot of love, time, and money has gone into yours. can you even put a value on that? probably. will you regret selling? yes. do you need the money? we dont know. but it looks like you've got some soul searching to do..

it could probably fetch over 14k. but you gotta pick the right month. PS's seem to be the iceing on the cake in the SC line. its never an easy decision to let one go. best of luck. having just bought one my emotions have been instantly multiplied from the feelings i had over my GT.

to each their own. my vote - keep
What do you think the right month is Faretracker?
 

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Sure, it is cash sitting in the garage but how much do you clear at the end? Will you have to buy another later to fill the regret of selling it and in the long term will you lose more $$$ than you made?
Yeah, that is a really great question. The whole reason I bought the PS in the first place is b/c I sold a Moto Guzzi and really missed the rumbling of an Italian twin. A bike with character. It's also something I've considered in this whole process.

Right now I've got a rumbling rc8r to feed my habits. I do think however, that there is no way I will NOT lose money in the long run with this habit/hobby. I've just kind of accepted that. And you know, it's kind of fun buying and selling bikes. There's something in that.

I would like to minimize the losses though, which brings me back again to the selling price...
 

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I sold my PS for about that much although it had 16k miles. About the same amount of mods, Alpinas and Arrow. Things do change and for me, when the thought about selling it started appearing I knew it was time. I don't regret the decision although friends can't believe I made it.

No doubt Terblanche had it right and the SCs attract attention but these are motorcycles, not your children. There are a lot of great bikes and there may be something else you wish to try.

I suspect you will get the "just keep it and add XXXXXXX to your garage" posts. In my case I can't afford to do that. I also know that when these are going for a million dollars in 30 years I won't be around to collect anyway.
Yeah, I think this is where I am on it. Sounds like you did well on your sale too. Thanks for the input.
 

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Paul Smarts have been hitting near $18k recently on eBay, depending on mods and miles.

As to whether to sell or not, I guess that just depends on your situation. If you have some specific reason you need the money, and especially if that reason involves another person's or your own well being, then of course sell. If you don't need the money but can't help but see the dollar signs, well that's up to you. I've never understood people who want money just for the sake of having money. Life is short, money is just a means to live it the way you want to. So in this case, if you can think of some use for the money that will bring you more long term happiness than the bike, go for it and don't look back. If you can't, that's when you'll end up regretting the sale
Sir, you are obviously a man of great wisdom. Would you be interested in the purchase of a motorcycle?
 

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I just bought my PS three months ago after hunting for one for the last year or so. Won an EBay auction at $18,100. Big mulah! Yeah, lots of excellent quality upgrades and the only bike I actually desired despite having 6 other bikes in my garage. Did I need this (or any other bike)? NO! But I was willing to pay 18K for what I consider to be a rolling work of art AND fountain of youth elixir.
IMO: you're selling your particular Porn Star short at 14K.
 

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What do you think the right month is Faretracker?
may or june - i've been watching religiously PS values for the past 3 years. they always are the highest in these 2 months. granted i'm using ebay & craigslist but are the 2 most used. that PS that went for 18,1 sold on ebay i think middle or late may. that took the cake as the highest. there is one on new york craigslist right now guys wanting 17,5 firm been there for some time. i just paid 15 for mine 3 weeks ago. perfect condition. could've bought one for 12,5 last January but backed out.

my opinion is i think its worth 14+ but ultimately its worth what someone will pay for it. one just sold on ebay 2 days ago for 14,2. my brain hurts. need to go wish my PS a goodnight ;)
 

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Forget when's the best time to sell; when's the best time to buy??? ; )

Do you have pics of your bike, Magnum? I think 14k seems right on the money but I would suggest trying a bit higher if you aren't in a hurry. 16.5k maybe to start with.
 

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Forget when's the best time to sell; when's the best time to buy??? ; )

Do you have pics of your bike, Magnum? I think 14k seems right on the money but I would suggest trying a bit higher if you aren't in a hurry. 16.5k maybe to start with.
Thanks for all the responses. You guys rock. Making this easier.
 

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Agreed, I'd put it at more like 15-16k on ebay. If it goes you can feel really good about getting top dollar and probably close to cost-neutral for the time you owned it (depending upon what you paid). If it doesn't go, then you can keep it.

I think you can make peace with letting it go. Whenever I have purchased a vehicle in the past I've always felt "i will never let this go". When I bought my first BMW moto, when I bought my first BMW 5 series, when I bought my SC, when I bought a 911 I always thought that I could drive this forever. But, there's always something new popping up. Even for the 911, I'd love to have a GT3 someday. For you this sounds like having a capable track bike. I'm not advocating flipping vehicles all the time (I usually keep cars/bikes for 5-10 years) but I bet you'll have something new occupying your mind in 5-10 years.

Just make sure you get some great photos of you and the bike before it goes.
 

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Good advice from a man whose obviously been there. :)
At the rate I'm going, changing out bikes might be more of a 12-18 months sort of thing. The only bike I've owned for more than 2 years has been a KTM 950sm, and probably b/c it's such a good all-rounder.
If I put it up for sale, I'll be sure to get good pics.

Agreed, I'd put it at more like 15-16k on ebay. If it goes you can feel really good about getting top dollar and probably close to cost-neutral for the time you owned it (depending upon what you paid). If it doesn't go, then you can keep it.

I think you can make peace with letting it go. Whenever I have purchased a vehicle in the past I've always felt "i will never let this go". When I bought my first BMW moto, when I bought my first BMW 5 series, when I bought my SC, when I bought a 911 I always thought that I could drive this forever. But, there's always something new popping up. Even for the 911, I'd love to have a GT3 someday. For you this sounds like having a capable track bike. I'm not advocating flipping vehicles all the time (I usually keep cars/bikes for 5-10 years) but I bet you'll have something new occupying your mind in 5-10 years.

Just make sure you get some great photos of you and the bike before it goes.
 
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