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they just want to destroy our tanks eh??
The corn farmers want our $$$s and the pols want their votes.

Vote 'em out. Vote 'em all out. Especially the greenie weenies.

-don
 

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Yeah, I'm a firm believer we have to do something too:

Ethanol-free gas stations in the U.S. and Canada


Don't put that crap in your Motorcycle, Chainsaw, Weedwacker, Snowblower, Lawnsmower, etrc...if you can help it. The less we buy of that ethanol crap, and the more station owners sell pure gas, the better the chances more and more stations will carry it.

Your Ducati gas tank will thank you.
 

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Yeah, I'm a firm believer we have to do something too:

Ethanol-free gas stations in the U.S. and Canada


Don't put that crap in your Motorcycle, Chainsaw, Weedwacker, Snowblower, Lawnsmower, etrc...if you can help it. The less we buy of that ethanol crap, and the more station owners sell pure gas, the better the chances more and more stations will carry it.

Your Ducati gas tank will thank you.
Great link CR, Thanks. Alas there are only three listed for my entire state and none or with a tankful's ride.

-don
 

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Check out FOOD INC.
See what the farmers are doing to us...
No it is not the framers it is big buisness in the guise of farmers that are overtaking the farms and feeding us their CRAP.
Corn I try not to eat just as a mini protest...
My truck came with a FLEX FUEL badge on it ,First thing I pryed off of it.

I buy most of my fuel states side and am going to start looking for non-ethanol fuel in the area.
Over here in Canada I get a noticable better MPG rating if I use Canadian non-ethanol fuel, that US ethanol mixed , but the price is such a difference even ethanol fuel is cheaper...

Corn Industry is EVIL and ruthless, I have a lot of farmer people I know and Corn is what they plant , Even the hog producers and Milk and Beef farmers are in the control of the HUGE CORN industry...

We have Quota systems which make Milk more expensive along with eggs and such, more expensive.
Too MUCH gov't control...
The Meat (chicken etc) is not what and how meat was supposed to be . All their life in a barn in stalls .Pork never rooting around in mud ...
Hey it is all Related...To the Corn Industry...
If you can support the small local farmer, you will notice the difference in taste and quality of what you stuff down your gullett...
 

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You know I had to giggle when i heard that "ethanol tankers" blew up on rail road derailment in OH. Thank god no deaths but could not help being glad their shit burned up for a loss...
 

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Is the problem really ethanol, or is the problem that a company like Ducati markets bikes that are not equipped to handle the fuel that is available in the target market region?

Ethanol is likely here to stay, at least for some time - it won't be made from corn forever, but it will still be ethanol even when made from cellulose. Despite all of the misinformation out there, it is really not such a bad thing...if your vehicle is designed to use it!

Re: the farm lobby - pay them at the gas pump with $7 / bu corn prices due to high demand, or pay them through your tax dollars when corn is $2.50 and all the government support payments kick in. Personally, if I lived in the US I would be pleased to support American farmers and ethanol producers, and to take that money out of the pockets of middle-eastern oil producers. That is, unless my bike had a shitty plastic fuel tank....
 

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Great link CR, Thanks. Alas there are only three listed for my entire state and none or with a tankful's ride.

-don
There may be more that haven't made it to that list yet. It's a user supported list - it's only as good as the info the users provide.
You live in the lakes area...sniff around the marinas around there...I'll bet you'll be surprised at what you'll find! Then add the info to the list!:)
 

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Despite all of the misinformation out there, it is really not such a bad thing...if your vehicle is designed to use it!
Try running a tank of non-ethanol fuel through your chainsaw sometime. You'll be shocked at how much better it runs. It's a HUGE difference.

I don't bother running it in my Toyota truck, but in my carberated motorcycle and my small engines? It's about all I run.
 

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Is the problem really ethanol, or is the problem that a company like Ducati markets bikes that are not equipped to handle the fuel that is available in the target market region?
That IMO is a valid point.

Re: the farm lobby - pay them at the gas pump with $7 / bu corn prices due to high demand, or pay them through your tax dollars when corn is $2.50 and all the government support payments kick in. Personally, if I lived in the US I would be pleased to support American farmers and ethanol producers, and to take that money out of the pockets of middle-eastern oil producers. That is, unless my bike had a shitty plastic fuel tank....
And that IMO is not. It simply accepts the fact that the market has to be manipulated. Why? All such manipulation does is raise prices. And the greater the manipulation the greater the distortion.

Think of, hell, make a list. Cabs with government issued medallions. Plumbers with government issued 'work permits.' Education period. Ditto healthcare. Now look at things where prices are allowed to ebb and flow according to the market. (Yes, they are getting harder and harder to find!) Broccoli. MP3 downloads. Books. Guitars. Shoes. Clothing. Having your lawn mowed.

Let people and companies drill and refine oil, release natural gas and build distribution networks. Energy could be cheap again. And with that how many industries could again flourish and how many jobs created.

Except Government jobs. Those would diminish. And so... :p

-don
 

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It is not that companies are not designing vehicles to run ethanol NOW...
but everything from 06,7,8 and earlier were not and that is not their fault.
I had a brand new 2001 honda snoblower ran beautifully for the first 5 years. Followed the tried and true storage method of run engine, close fuel shutoff until carb ran dry, add stabil to tank and unit would start on one pull next year. Then E10 came along and the next year I could not get that SOB to run right, no matter how much carb cleaning. It was getting ready to snow and in rush bought new carb, threw it on and ran fine (that year), followed same procedure and bango, next year that carb was junk. Sent the old carb for rebuild and swapped again. Now because of E10 there is a new procedure which involves not just running carb dry but removing bowl and air drying everything out, we will see if this is what we the consumers have to do with all of our "outdated" equipment. I have had my 2-stroke RD off of road for last 4-5 years almost afraid to run any of that crap through it and wonder what it might do to the mikuni's. I'll be happy when the "corn" lobbyist's have to suck d___ for beer money! :mad: Phew, feel better now.
 

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A repost....but I always like to spread the word on how to get ethanol free gas:

If you are looking for ethanol free gas in the US, check with your local airport. Not the big one, the little one with the Cessnas. Check and see if the sell "mo-gas." That is ethanol free gasoline - not avfuel, but just plain old gasoline. The FAA knows ethanol is bad news, thus it is illegal for airplanes to fill up on fuel with ethanol.

I have three municipal/county airports within 10 miles and they all sell mo-gas. One of them lets me ride my SC right across two runways to reach the pump.

Also, the bigger powerboating reservoirs and lakes sometimes have ethanol free gas for boats. The one 3 miles from me does.
 

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OUR energy should be very cheap...
but the Gov't is letting anybody that will line their pockets rape our resourses,
We sell gasoline to states and we pay a higher price here???
Same with our excess energy .
On Earth day we paid the U.S. to take our excess energy(Solar & wind powered). Something like 4cents for coal generated power and the Gov't pays the foreign companies 16 cents for the same amount . GUARANTEEING a profit for them.

NO DEALS for the Canadian consumer....
 

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Zip in MA, like Don said 3 in NH but none close at all.
 

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A repost....but I always like to spread the word on how to get ethanol free gas:

If you are looking for ethanol free gas in the US, check with your local airport. Not the big one, the little one with the Cessnas. Check and see if the sell "mo-gas." That is ethanol free gasoline - not avfuel, but just plain old gasoline. The FAA knows ethanol is bad news, thus it is illegal for airplanes to fill up on fuel with ethanol.

I have three municipal/county airports within 10 miles and they all sell mo-gas. One of them lets me ride my SC right across two runways to reach the pump.

Also, the bigger powerboating reservoirs and lakes sometimes have ethanol free gas for boats. The one 3 miles from me does.
Same thing with your local racetrack, if they have a station onsite (like Infineon does).
 

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I have a degree in Environmental and can tell you ethanol fuel and production from lack of crop rotation, excessive irrigation, the process and manufacture of the fuel and the poor mileage associated with it means one thing... It's not about the environment its about money. The EPA just helped push it through banning MTBE a fuel additive that's historically a ground water contaminant. Of course now all stations require double lined tanks so is it really a problem. NO...

Off my soap box now. Ducati has done a piss poor job addressing this problem. Now I'm on my third tank and have run less than two tanks of the stuff (yes its lined) guess what, its expanded. I am beginning to think its not just ethanol but overall poor manufacturing by Acerbis. Unless racing fuel would dissolve the tank there is no reason it should expand. This is the last bike I bought from them new and will be the last bike I ever buy new from them again.
 

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Al Gore, David Suzuki and all the eco socialist drones can puff my friggin pipe !

Ethanol is an energy net loss...it takes more energy to produce it than it provides ...... freakin mindless hippies !

Study: Ethanol Production Consumes Six Units Of Energy To Produce Just One

Ethanol Takes More Energy Than It Gives
Sorry, those links tell only one side of the story, and it is not the best documented side. Patzek's energy balance calculations have been discredited. On an energy balance basis, corn ethanol has a net balance, "well to wheels", of about 40% as an industry average (1.4 units of energy out per unit energy in).

But energy balance is not the most important measure anyway. 2/3 of the energy that goes into producing ethanol is not on the farm - it is in the ethanol plant. What do ethanol plants run on? Coal, mostly. So, the "energy in" is mostly coal (cheap and abundantly available domestically), and the "energy out" is a replacement (sort of!) for liquid petroleum - something that is in much shorter supply domestically. It's also worth noting that no American kid was ever sent to die in a desert country to protect the US coal supply.

But anyway, the *petroluem replacement* value (rather than energy balance) of corn ethanol is about 8:1 - eight units of petroleum equivalents provided per unit *petroleum* fuel consumed to create it. That's pretty good, if your objective is to reduce reliance on foreign oil. That's why the "energy balance" idea is not sensible. Not all types of energy are created equal. If we can trade coal for petroleum (with a net energy increase thrown in as a bonus), we will do it all day, thanks.
 

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Seems anyone can work the numbers to their advantage and throw the"Envioremental factor" at ANY cost and you have a Political advantage. Whoever is in power to line pockets of the Buisness that will line the pockets of Politicians .
Our ethanol plants is likely natural gas fired , and throw the taxes that are charged on Natural gas as opposed to other energys...
Who da hell owns the natural gas and oil anyways, Charge what ever you want just drill another hole and charge more...
We even pay a debt reduction charge because of BAD management and running of the energy buisness , where the execs over pay themselves..

A NO WIN for the consumer.

The Buisness over complicates everything and gouges us at every turn.
 
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