The problem were solved !
Thank for your help
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very interesting 0
would you like to share the problem with us ?
1) may be interesting for some others also
2) bad internetbehaviour - first asking and then not to tell the solution
imagine someone has the same problem, is googling for it, finds this thread, and instead of a solution he reads "i have found the problem, this thread can be closed" :-( .
who disconnected them ?