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hey all,

first time ducati owner here, i have a 2012 1200s with full termi race system. my question is; can the ecu be tweaked on a dyno, or do you need a power commander? it runs waaay rich....
 

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You have three main options:

1. Power Commander
2. Bazzaz
3. Tuneboy

I would do the Tuneboy as it means no extra piggie back stuff. Plus you end up with cruise control which is nice to have.

There might be a 4th option but I can't confirm it. Your Ducati dealer should be able to modify the trim tables outside of the emissions zone. That's less than 20% throttle. Funny thing that is generally where you want the mods.


Are you sure its running way to rich? How have you measured this?
 

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hey chris,
thanks for the reply. tuneboy? never heard of it. i'm just guessing, but i constantly smell that unburnt, raw fuel smell, the end of my pipe is black, and it smokes on cold startup.
 

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hey chris,
thanks for the reply. tuneboy? never heard of it. i'm just guessing, but i constantly smell that unburnt, raw fuel smell, the end of my pipe is black, and it smokes on cold startup.
There are two threads here about Tuneboy. They are long and exhaustive. Here is what I consider to be the primary one.

http://www.ducati.ms/forums/216-2010-current-2nd-generation-watercooled/145289-tuneboy-mts-1200-compatibility.html

Anyhow in interest of not breaking some rule on this board just do a Bing search for Tuneboy...he's out of Australia.

As to your description...it shouldn't smoke...I've only seen smoke on turbo's due to fuel...and its a super black smoke.
 

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12MTS1200. I don't know of any Ducati dealer who can change the trim tabs in the ECU.
If the termi came as a full system you should have the 'race' ECU. (It says something like 'Ducati Racing' or similar...in the 'round' instrument panel on start up if it is. Anyway....it is still likely to be way out....but usually on the lean side. Have a simple dyno run...by that I mean cheap and quick with the probe up the exhaust rather than doing each cylinder....just to see where the AFR is, roughly.

As you will read...there are people that like Tune Boy's offerings...and those who dont...same for everything. If you dont go 'open loop' there is not a lot you can do in the 0 to 5000 rpm range. Read up on FatDucs...cheap and easy and some people love them.

I went 'open loop' then used a PCV with a good dyno man. Works for me and simple for me to then 'tweak'...as I often do.

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Id just get Tom at hypertrick to flash the ecu like he did mine.. He has a map readymade for the full exhaust and bike differ little between them in terms of fueling as i understand it. Cheaper and a hell of a lot easier.

The diffrence between that flash and a full custom dybo tune + tuneboy software in the real world isnt much.
Trumpcard does go to tuneboy for having the "push to cruise" option.

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All great point and tips guys, thank you, i really appreciate it. think i'll try the tuneboy. the push button cruise control is way to cool. just need to find a good dyno guy....
 

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All great point and tips guys, thank you, i really appreciate it. think i'll try the tuneboy. the push button cruise control is way to cool. just need to find a good dyno guy....
You are in luck. Factory Pro isn't too far from you. If my memory is correct Mark is the owner. His style of dyno will read lower than a Dynojet dyno but it'll give you a more accurate tune. He doesn't list himself on his webpage but he is in the North Bay area (again if memory is correct).

Factory Pro: Producers of the EC997 Low Inertia Eddy Current Dynamometer Series and Quality MC performance products
 

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Maybe an alternative if you're looking for options:
just had my 2010 1200s equipped with Rexxer mapping in the original ECU. Runs far better than before, no piggy back stuff. Pulls away easy at low rpm's (even 2000) without bucking and the hesitation roundabout 4500 is also gone. Works in all modes.
Paid introductary price of Euro 225 to get this done. No additional hardware needed!
 

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FactoryPro

This is apples to oranges, but I can personally vouch for Mark at FactoryPro. They tuned my Triumph Thruxton and did a great job. Of course I ultimately sold that bike to finance my Multi, but they were a pleasure to deal with and the results were great.
 

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just ordered the tuneboy with cruise:D, when that comes in, off to marc at factory. spoke with him for a while and it sounds like he really knows the ducatis. cant wait. i'll do a full write up when its done...:eek:
 

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rexxer

I had been asked the Question by a senior member Mr Sputnicks why I don't let all Ducati owners know of the product Rexxer and not just most.After having my 1200 Multi and my 1100 Monster flashed with the Rexxer and many others that I know also that have had this done here in Australia.The out come is fantastic.Not only do you get a very nice running machine but also at a affordable price for the flash ,so I have done some research and found 2 links that may help.The Rexxer will certainly cure all the running issues that most of these bikes have as I many others have found.:) here are 2 links for you to ponder over and for many that live around the world.

http://www.torquepowermotorcycles.com.au/guestbook.php

http://www.rexxer.eu/e_kontakt.cfm
 

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I always find 'testamonials' interesting. One offering says; " The PCV etc made no difference, in fact it made the issues worse and screwed up the fuel consumption." So we can ignore that man then! (If a PCV is making 'no difference' then its not operating, not installed correctly or not set up correctly).
I think it's great that many people find the Rexxer map makes a huge difference but be aware...a map, unless fine tunded on a dyno, is nevet going to suite all engines. It's hard to get away from a good dyno tune.
 

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Dyno PCV -RexXer

I agree with Nick Pilot that the Dyno is a great tool for tuning ,but the PVC cannot switch of the 02 Sensors nor is it able to shut down the exhaust valve in the late model motorcycles of today .Rexxer is real time tuning and have also designed a program called ECM Titanium map editor.. Which some Dyno shops also use to get the perfect running bike but once again all costs coin and is not a priority for many.Most people are looking for a user friendly throttle and a smoother engine along with more torque which is what the rexxer delivers the factory do a very good job of extracting as much H.p from the engine at high rpm but are governed by emission in the lower rev range. The Titanium map editor gives accesses to all the functions in the ecu.
I have found a link that may interest many, something for all to ponder over maybe its the new generation of engine tuning.:)

 

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Hi Fish Head.
Yes....I had to send my ECU to CJS in the UK to get the O2's disabled and their map installed...and the exhaust valve warnings disabled, (though the DP ECU with the Termi does the valve)...Then add the PCV...then get it on the Dyno. I aggree...a total pain. So if the latest from Rexxer lets me avoid all that, I will go that way on the 2013 bike.....but I forgot...all these issues are fixed on the 2013 bike! (Then of course there is TuneBoy!) Nick
 
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