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I learned an interesting piece of information yesterday about my 2015 MS DVT

I was at a Ducati Technical Seminar conducted by Ducati's US national service Manager (more on that below)

We were told there is a new air box design that will be on future MS production models. The new design allows cooler air to be brought into the air box which results in a HP gain. Thought to be around 3hp.
Ducati plans to issue a customer notification for owners with the older design and will be replacing at no cost. It was stated they plan is to issue the customer notification around summer (2016). Of course there was the usual comment about how committing anything around summer in Italy is always with a caveat.
You know; another 3hp is not going to send me jumping for joy, but with all the issues with this bike I am happy to see Ducati is standing behind the product and wanting to satisfy owners. Clearly this is not something they had to do. They could have made the design change and moved forward. Some would argue Ducati should stand by the hp claims on the marketing materials, by that is subjective data. I was one of the first owners and have seen most of the issues so I was please to Ducati going beyond just fixing.

On to the technical seminar. It was really well done. Hosted by the US National Manger so a very credible source of information. Richard went over all of the tech of the bike and took a lot of questions on the technical operations and known issues. Richard was very candid about the initial fuel mapping, it’s comparison to EU models, and some of the issues that resulted in MC magazine review. The Master Ducati mechanic at the dealership had a MS torn down to the bones with the DVT system placed out on a work bench so you could pick it up and do the jigsaw puzzle in your hands. Looking at the workshop manual is nice, but it doesn’t become clear to me until I get the bits and pieces in my hands. I thought this was a great thing for the dealership and Ducati USA to offer. Don’t get me wrong I am not the biggest Duc fan in the world. I have owned more that a few, but swore them off years ago. It took the new Multi to get me serious about ownership again. It has been a struggle with the issues, but Ducat’s efforts to make things right have been excellent.
 

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Thanks for the info. Follow up question; you say he was candid about the initial fuel map. Did he say if the current map is a end all, be all, or an initial patch, with better mapping down the road?
 

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Did anybody ask him about the Rexxer map?
 

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T Did he say if the current map is a end all, be all, or an initial patch, with better mapping down the road?
Richard said there was a new software load for the bike as little as two weeks ago, but I didn't get if it was directly related to mapping or in general. His point was it is an evolving process and the benefit to this generation of motorbikes.
 
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Did anybody ask him about the Rexxer map?
Not directly naming Rexxer, but other vendor solutions in general were asked. Richard's general attitude was that there are some smart people out there who can build some custom solutions, but it is tricky. Ducati will constantly be evolving their software so you may be chasing map after map. There was a group consensus that the "easier" days of an aftermarket pipe and an chip/ECU may be gone. I know he would be biased as they want to keep you in the dealer network. The question is how much effort vs gain do you want to go through, especially if it may not be a one time effort.
Speaking for myself I tend to agree, I don't want to spending time/money for the risk vs. reward. Race bike- yes, road bike - not so much. You can ride around minor things and just accept them. Now that the crevasse is (mostly) gone I find the bike very ride-able once you get through the myriad of settings and make it your own.
Hell - we just want smooth power through the entire power band with no dips. Is anybody really looking for an additional 5-8 more top end hp, really?
 

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Hell - we just want smooth power through the entire power band with no dips. Is anybody really looking for an additional 5-8 more top end hp, really?
More top-end isn't really useful for the street, but getting rid of the 8-10lb-ft torque dip from 3500-5500rpm would be a very welcome improvement! The ECU update last year did almost nothing to fix this...
 

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Hell - we just want smooth power through the entire power band with no dips. Is anybody really looking for an additional 5-8 more top end hp, really?
Word.

Why is Ducati concentrating their efforts of something that's relatively minor when the fuel sensors are basically still crapping out? What revision are we on now, the 4th or something like that? Not to mention the issues still plaguing the DVT. The company is going about things ass-backwards IMHO.
 

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Word.

Why is Ducati concentrating their efforts of something that's relatively minor when the fuel sensors are basically still crapping out? What revision are we on now, the 4th or something like that? Not to mention the issues still plaguing the DVT. The company is going about things ass-backwards IMHO.
By all accounts, the Rev D fuel level sensors are working well. They've fixed the main issues with the trip meter and 2nd gear hesitation. There is supposed to be some sort of replacement dash recall/TSB due to scratching, so they are making steps to fix the known issues.

You don't even own a DVT (per your signature), so why does it bother you?
 

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You don't even own a DVT (per your signature), so why does it bother you?
And that concerns you how? I was addressing the company's overall record to addressing problems with the Multistrada, not just the DVT.

Pump your brakes partner. :rolleyes:
 

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Word.

Why is Ducati concentrating their efforts of something that's relatively minor when the fuel sensors are basically still crapping out? What revision are we on now, the 4th or something like that? Not to mention the issues still plaguing the DVT. The company is going about things ass-backwards IMHO.
They did acknowledge the full sensors at this meeting as well.

They're very explicit about their contracts for suppliers, and in this case, the supplier had quality issues. According to the Service Manager, the contract states they have to work with them to remedy the situation. He also did state that each failure was a result of something new, not repetitive items that repeatedly failed.

Take it for what its worth. I also thought the presentation was well done.
 

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No company works on just one 'issue'... the fact that the Air box update came out now has no correlation to the amount of effort put into other problems. More than likely the 16 or 17 developers determined that airbox updates could make a significant improvement to DVT performance and it was pulled to the 15 to address the negative press the DVT has gotten (no improvement over non-dvt bikes, less power than direct rivals). BUT... Ducati had no obligation to give it to us early adopters - and the fact that they are is a big deal to folks like me who think loyalty is a two way street and vendors need to earn it in order to get it.
 

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No company works on just one 'issue'... the fact that the Air box update came out now has no correlation to the amount of effort put into other problems. More than likely the 16 or 17 developers determined that airbox updates could make a significant improvement to DVT performance and it was pulled to the 15 to address the negative press the DVT has gotten (no improvement over non-dvt bikes, less power than direct rivals). BUT... Ducati had no obligation to give it to us early adopters - and the fact that they are is a big deal to folks like me who think loyalty is a two way street and vendors need to earn it in order to get it.
I agree, I think the company is moving in the right direction. On my air cooled MTS (2005) the fuel sensor never worked right, it showed empty at half full. The valve guides were made of play-doh, and if they failed just out of warranty, Ducati often said, "oh well." Faulty guides were among the reasons that when my 1000 engine died an early death I replaced it with an 1100 engine.

BMW extended the warranty of their GS 1200 fuel strips for 12 or 15 years, I forget the exact timeline. At the time, I remember thinking, "no way Ducati does that!" But maybe Ducati are coming around. I bet the air box mod is a simple, low cost, effective change that they feel fosters good will. Good on 'em.
 

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Anyone actually getting traction on this?

Hello all

My '15 DVT is scheduled for service this week. When I asked about the airbox upgrade mentioned here, the rep looked up my VIN and informed me there's nothing mentioned about airbox in recalls or service bulletins.

Does anyone have any further info on this? Has anyone here actually gotten this done through a dealer?

TIA

Zolo
 

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Hello all

My '15 DVT is scheduled for service this week. When I asked about the airbox upgrade mentioned here, the rep looked up my VIN and informed me there's nothing mentioned about airbox in recalls or service bulletins.

Does anyone have any further info on this? Has anyone here actually gotten this done through a dealer?

TIA

Zolo
The update has not been released yet! A bunch of us on this forum met the US West Coast Service Manager who confirmed this was happening... Stay tuned!
 

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Its like on the older MTS 1200 where a simply hole in the sidewall of the airbox made 3hp and 3ft/lbs. completly free.
Blue: mapped
Green: Mapped + hole in airbox.

I´ll not mention that my 2010 is equal in maxpower to a -15 DVT.. :)
 
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Snowshoe and apparently others. How does one know about and get invited to these Ducati seminars? It would be VERY interesting talking to someone who is directly connected to the factory and is willing to acknowledge and address known issues with the MTS. Interesting to note that with the 50 (100?) or so board mentions of fuel sensor failures not one has been for the same reason according to the sensor maker!!

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Snowshoe and apparently others. How does one know about and get invited to these Ducati seminars? It would be VERY interesting talking to someone who is directly connected to the factory and is willing to acknowledge and address known issues with the MTS. Interesting to note that with the 50 (100?) or so board mentions of fuel sensor failures not one has been for the same reason according to the sensor maker!!

Cheers
Our local dealer invited us to the presentation... If you don't have a relationship with a dealer, it's a good place to start!
 

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The update has not been released yet! A bunch of us on this forum met the US West Coast Service Manager who confirmed this was happening... Stay tuned!
Just ordered a 2016 DVT on April 1st, supposed to arrive to dealer near end of this month so I assume that means they have to build it yet. So my question is do you think they are now installing this updated air box on current builds?
 
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