[Lilldic_mossy]

Hi all...
As some of you may remember i rebuilt my 916 in to the white framed corse 916, with the intention of putting a 1198/1098 engine in to it in the near future.
Thread of rebuild.. http://www.ducati.ms/forums/56-superbikes/130347-duke-916-strip-down-re-build.html

Out and about today visiting some local breakers and chatting to a few people along with a bacon sarnie thrown in, i came a across a bloke who has a 998R engine which he may sell me.
The engine is complete with starter etc...
The bloke is looking for at least £1000 for it.
He said he's been holding on to it for a project,but never done anything with it.

Given the amount of work to fit a 1198 engine in the duke (which im prepared to do), What would be needed to get the 998r engine in the 916 frame, extra mods,info ?
Also what sort of performance difference would there be ? (not knowing about the R spec :/ )

Many thanks !

Richard

 

[t_bare]

The 998 has shower injectors that would really conflict with the 916 frame. I'd find find a 998 frame and get started if it were me. I'd love to run into someone with a 998r motor laying around!

t_bare

 

[Lilldic_mossy]

Is the engine worth £1000 ? If it comes with the injectors etc...

Would i need a new ecu or could i keep the 916 one ?

Cheers

 

[t_bare]

Value is what you are willing to pay. I am not familiar with the exchange rates. I will say the 998r is pretty rare. I would would pay a fair amount for one, but I do have a 998 that I could drop it into. You will need a different ecu. 5.9 if I am not mistakes but I would use a Nemesis on that one.

t_bare

 

[Lilldic_mossy]

I dont suppose you have a pic of the 998 engine in the frame so i can roughly work out whats what.. ?

Im also wondering as the 998R has a deep sump, will that affect the lower fairings ?

Cheers.

 

[nine16]

Won't affect the fairings but you would need a special exhaust. If the coils are mounted 998 style, however, you will have to use the duct-less sides.

A 998R motor for a bag sounds like a steal, but get a 998 frame or donor bike for it. Massive headaches and walletaches await, trying to use the 916.

 

[TomTom]

A 998r engine for rebuild is mismatched, its basically a 996r/998r engine but its got the heritage. I wouldnt pay the extra dollars for it.

If its ultracheap ok, but its nothing more than any 999 testa.

 

[Ben710]

If its ultracheap ok, but its nothing more than any 999 testa.

What are you saying dude? 998R is 104mm bore and 999 base and 999S are all 100mm engines like the 996R.

Richard, the 998R engines are really good. The only better ones are the 05> 999R motors with the redesigned cylinder head. Expect some 150 hp if it´s not tuned. 1000 is (too?) cheap if you ask me. Anything wrong with it?

 

[Ducatierv]

motor sounds cheap so it could be a bargain

 

[widewalker]

Won't affect the fairings but you would need a special exhaust. If the coils are mounted 998 style, however, you will have to use the duct-less sides.

A 998R motor for a bag sounds like a steal, but get a 998 frame or donor bike for it. Massive headaches and walletaches await, trying to use the 916.

I believe the 996 style fairings will need modification to to allow the deep sump protuberance and the deep sump exhaust while it's simple trimming though. A bracket for the coils is a simple fabrication too. Agree that a 998 or kyalami frame with 998 fairings is the easiest/cheapest way to go. If you buy it buy it please try to replicate a 998r, the motor is part of an icon.

 

[paalw]

The easiest way to get through with what you are trying to accomplish I think will be to get hold of the 998r engine info online, print it on a paper, and put it under the back seat of the 916. There should be enough room though the 916 is not exactly a touring bike! You also may consider putting the info in a plastic bag in case of rain.

 

[TomTom]

The easiest way to get through with what you are trying to accomplish I think will be to get hold of the 998r engine info online, print it on a paper, and put it under the back seat of the 916. There should be enough room though the 916 is not exactly a touring bike! You also may consider putting the info in a plastic bag in case of rain.

Lol, monday and smiling.

Ben, It makes the same power thats what I meant.

 

[Nellie]

Hi all...
As some of you may remember i rebuilt my 916 in to the white framed corse 916, with the intention of putting a 1198/1098 engine in to it in the near future.
Thread of rebuild.. http://www.ducati.ms/forums/56-superbikes/130347-duke-916-strip-down-re-build.html

Out and about today visiting some local breakers and chatting to a few people along with a bacon sarnie thrown in, i came a across a bloke who has a 998R engine which he may sell me.
The engine is complete with starter etc...
The bloke is looking for at least £1000 for it.
He said he's been holding on to it for a project,but never done anything with it.

Given the amount of work to fit a 1198 engine in the duke (which im prepared to do), What would be needed to get the 998r engine in the 916 frame, extra mods,info ?
Also what sort of performance difference would there be ? (not knowing about the R spec :/ )

Many thanks !

Richard

HI Richard,

I am just about to fit a 998 engine into my 916 race bike after having won the Thunderbike Championship with it and now stepping up classes and wanting cheaper easier power. Albeit I am after 130 ponies

The 998r engine is definately worth the £1000 purhcase price - its Duacti exotica

The 998 lump will be easier to fit than a 1198/1098 lump as the frame and engine combo is Ducati standard in 2001/2

Some basic steps to bear in mind.

916 engine mount bolts are 10mm - 998 are 12mm, you will need to open out the frame holes to accomodate.

Source a set of 998 injectors as easier to fit - can be fitted in a high cross bar frame but the injectors brace will need altering - alternatively remove the cross bar and lower it (if you have access to a welder) - or if both are too much work find a 748r frame - no work needed

Desmo injectors will not fit as cyclinder spacing is different between desmo and testa engines

16m ECU & loom can be used but you will have to alter the TPS to use the old style one (their signal is different) and you will also have to ditch the stick coils and go back to old style ones. Alternatively source a 998 loom and ECU but you will then need stick coils and the double fan etc etc (Almost becomes a pure 998)

Use a 998 airbox - no mods necessary Alternatively use a 748r box if you have dropped the cross member (See earlier point)

With the deep sump you will need to source a 998r exhaust to route it correctly or alter your own exhaust via welding to clear the sump (get a 54mm exhaust minimum to take advantage of that engine)

Everything else is as mother nature intended as all the other parts are model cross compatible

Hope that helps, I would just buy the engine at that price to have it for any future project.

Nellie :think:

 

[widewalker]

Any kyalami frame will fit the 998 injector/airbox setup. The Euro version 998s uses the same deep sump exhaust. The 998 doesn't use stick coils.

 

[JORDO88]

HI
I installed a 998s deepsump motor into a pre 99 748 chassis (CURRENTLY BREAKING FOR SPARES ON EBAY)

The engine mounting holes needed to be enlarged to 12mm(post 99). The engine goes straight in.

The 998 throttle bodies will work with a 998 airbox but you will need to mod the cross brace(748r/996R/998/999).
I made my own huge Corse style airbox using 748R top piece and custom 999s lower airbox.

If you relocate the coil brackets to where the 996r/998 are mounted you will need the 998 style side fairings, as the coils fowl the rad exhausts in the old style fairings.

The deepsump clears the fairing fine but you will need a deepsump testestretta exhaust system(996r/998s).

Mine ran on the standard 16m ecu and post 99 loom (3 phase charging system)just rewire the TPS, and source an eprom from TomTom

Also worth swapping the 916 temp sensor housing over as the 998 only runs one sensor.

Then lots of little things: rad bracket, mount 748 battery box, front sprocket, coolant hoses
ht caps/leads, clutch push rod/slave(pre 99 post 99 differ), oil cooler and bracket, fairing v-piece, etc.

Also worth considering cooling, the 998s ran twin rad fans and they still run super hot compared to the desmoquattro.

If it is a decent running deepsump testestretta engine for a grand BUY IT!
plenty of termi 50/54 exhaust systems on our favourite auction website...

If you would like photos, etc please just ask.
Cheers
Jord