These are your basic cold or wet weather riding pants from Dainese. It's got knee and shin protection which dainese has always done well. It comes with a base layer that I can use even into the 20's (and I've done so). Take that thermal layer out and it's a good waterproof bottom which I've used in thunderstorms without a drop of water seeping through. The only blemish I can think of is a tiny stain near the knee. I've taken a close up picture of them. You can probably get it out but I haven't tried. They go for about $219 and I'm just looking for $125 plus shipping for them.