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@Shawn of the Dead What's the median age of deaths in your hospital? What's the percent that had preexisting conditions?

If I was in your care, I would drop dead if o saw your Internet handle. :ROFLMAO:
Jackie .... I work exclusively with pediatric patients. Our death rate has been very low as has our COVID population, The adult hospitals in my system a few weeks ago had to open up units and add ICU space for 100 or more covid only patients and were on diversion due to max capacity .... I don't know the death rates. But our large tertiary facilities being on d8is a big deal. What I do now is very specialized and keeps me out of the Covid units....thankfully.

In just a few months we have had so many deaths from this....the medical community is very concerned.
 

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What about the other 1,070,000 cases?
Pfft ... who knows. There's so much flotsam and jetsum injected into these numbers I have a hard time giving any of it much credibility. It seems like every other day you hear about how this or that group has been miscounted or under/over estimated, which (of course) changes the "numbers" relative to one another.

I was just trying to bring in some good news. And then along came a spider ..... named Chuck. And bit my good news right on the ass (haahaa!!!).

Bah. It is what it is until it's not anymore. Y'all take care.
 

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In just a few months we have had so many deaths from this....the medical community is very concerned.
And this right here is why protesters are so dead wrong. I go through this same process explaining how "failing government schools"....aren't. When you suckle at the teat of misinformation multiple hours per day, it crowds out reasoned judgment and basic facts. It's constant battle to understand and have empathy for literal idiots that threaten other's lives and the urge to counter protest with lethal force. To loop back to education, the divide is very clearly drawn by class/education levels, much like religion. The professional class that quickly perceives both the economic and health fallout (while also being insulated from it somewhat) says "stop and assess/test" while the workers and maverick SBOs are looking at making payroll or rent for the month.

In a way covid is forcing temporary socialism on a very unwilling populace. The implications of the totality of new circumstances is staggering. Apparently 70% of Americans support continuing SIP until actual medical professionals deem it safe to re-open things. So I guess schools did fail a percentage of folks in the country. Sorry!
 

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And this right here is why protesters are so dead wrong. I go through this same process explaining how "failing government schools"....aren't. When you suckle at the teat of misinformation multiple hours per day, it crowds out reasoned judgment and basic facts. It's constant battle to understand and have empathy for literal idiots that threaten other's lives and the urge to counter protest with lethal force. To loop back to education, the divide is very clearly drawn by class/education levels, much like religion. The professional class that quickly perceives both the economic and health fallout (while also being insulated from it somewhat) says "stop and assess/test" while the workers and maverick SBOs are looking at making payroll or rent for the month.

In a way covid is forcing temporary socialism on a very unwilling populace. The implications of the totality of new circumstances is staggering. Apparently 70% of Americans support continuing SIP until actual medical professionals deem it safe to re-open things. So I guess schools did fail a percentage of folks in the country. Sorry!
I recently read Educated: A Memoir from Tara Westover who also wrote The Places Where the Recession Never Ended on The Atlantic. Per the introduction, I try to hold back on instinctive rush to judgement but both offer some interesting insights; Ms Westover's background of home schooling in rural Idaho and eventually making it, against the odds, to Harvard and Cambridge was a heck of a journey. My various road trips have also been illuminating, it's not hard to see why there is such a divide these days; imho, the real crisis today is that there is often no attempt to help, only to promote the division for political gain.
 

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true, but the cloth masks used and maintained properly do help contain the larger respiratory droplets.

The reason to do this, even though they're not quite the same efficacy as medical masks, is that they do have some level of efficacy. They are not only a way of decreasing breathing in the virus, primarily through large respiratory droplets, but also a behavioral reminder that there's a pandemic and life is not the same right now ― and a reminder not to put our hands in our eyes nose or mouth until we've washed our hands.

If I had COVID-19, I might not even know it. It's not like I'm sneezing and coughing, and have a fever. It's apparent that you can transmit the virus when you are asymptomatic or presymptomatic. So in that case, we're preventing me from exhaling the virus or respiratory particulate matter out onto the public and into the air where others might get infected. The other side of the coin, if you will, is protecting those who are not infected from becoming infected by breathing in air contaminated with virus or respiratory particulate matter.



 

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But didn't someone already point out that the virus isn't airborne? And that it's aerosolized? Those particles are bigger. Clearly bigger given the video that someone posted of someone coughing or sneezing if we can see it with the naked eye.

Edit - beaten to the gist.
 

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But didn't someone already point out that the virus isn't airborne? And that it's aerosolized? Those particles are bigger. Clearly bigger given the video that someone posted of someone coughing or sneezing if we can see it with the naked eye..

Edit - beaten to the gist.
That's right, that's what those terms mean, the virus doesn't just float around on it's own - airborne, it needs something to cling to in order to remain viable although that simplification isn't fully descriptive. Those videos of the the sneezing, coughing spray show how that can carry the virus in those droplets that are much much larger than the tiny micron sized elements the medical grade masks N96 or better filter.

Navigating a COVID ICU with it's cloud of the virus is very different from the public environment while being six feet away from people, being aware of what you touch followed by thorough washing with soap, and keeping even a cloth mask properly worn and sanitized. Just good enough for the people that are not at high risk if they can follow all the necessary preparations, but if any element is not followed, it's as though you did nothing at all.

So don't keep fiddling with the mask while wearing it, when removing it be cautious of handling it all the way to sanitizing it again, use another mask if yours becomes wet for any reason,etc. While we are at it, use gloves properly if you are going to use them, they are not a magic item - the virus can stick to them just as well as the outside of your mask! Imagine the virus as being dust on a table that you wipe off with a cloth, yeah - the cloth gets dirty doesn't it?
 

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Ever watch the Late Shows when they interview the schmo on the street and you get the epic fail on basic knowledge, and say to yourself, glad they’re not in charge.....kinda thing makes you go hmmmm...
 

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I recently read Educated: A Memoir from Tara Westover who also wrote The Places Where the Recession Never Ended on The Atlantic. Per the introduction, I try to hold back on instinctive rush to judgement but both offer some interesting insights; Ms Westover's background of home schooling in rural Idaho and eventually making it, against the odds, to Harvard and Cambridge was a heck of a journey. My various road trips have also been illuminating, it's not hard to see why there is such a divide these days; imho, the real crisis today is that there is often no attempt to help, only to promote the division for political gain.
If you add this article from the Atlantic to Westover's the picture becomes crystal clear: Inside the Political Brain

There are two Americas and some people are adept at sliding back and forth between the two but most are raised to take a side. One side places empathy at the forefront (Westover's key insight), and the other doesn't. This has consequences.

"Our political system requires us to have a basic level of respect for each other, of empathy for each other. That loss of empathy is what I call a breaking of charity."

This is the crux that Borat was exposing when Cohen's character went to the rodeo. The crowd started with "fuck yea" and quickly went to "fuck you" and real threats. The part of the brain that perceives this shift is the same as fight or flight. Which is why decorum flies out the window in social media spats. There's no real world check on the hyper-partisan impulse to smash the Other because there's no physical risk. But the more we practice our hate, the harder it is to dial back when those pathways are triggered and angry young bros start running over libs in their Chargers. It takes awhile to unlearn the things you learned in kindergarten but by golly we've got there, together!
 

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Ever watch the Late Shows when they interview the schmo on the street and you get the epic fail on basic knowledge, and say to yourself, glad they’re not in charge.....kinda thing makes you go hmmmm...
I have a decent education and I was calling it airborne until I was corrected. It's a distinction that many may not make. Both travel in the air. I mean, the prefix of aerosol is aero.
 

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I have a decent education and I was calling it airborne until I was corrected. It's a distinction that many may not make. Both travel in the air. I mean, the prefix of aerosol is aero.
While we are discussing exacting professional terminology, look up what Doctors mean when they state "Mild COVID effects". Horrors, MILD can really really SUCK and HURT THE WHOLE TIME YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE DYING!

"Mild" to them means you don't have to be in ICU with tubes in every natural orifice plus at least two more that they poked into you for more tubes.
 
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