It seems like nothing gets more bad press on this forum than clip type master links. I would like to start a thread to find out how many riders have experienced this FIRST HAND. I don't want to hear any stories about a friends buddy causing a twenty car pile up when the clip fell off. Any motorcycle, dirt, street, race. I'd also like to hear about chain failures on any other type master link chain, and your best guess why it failed. Reasons : 1) I've never had a clip type master fail on a motorcycle 2) I don't know any one else who has since my friends got enough money to actually replace a chain, age 16 or so. 3) I have done extensive failure analysis on industrial drive chains over a period of many years. The results, though I don't remember the actual percentages, was that an abused chain fails about as often on any link as it does on the master link. Although this was not the same setting, the abuse was extreme and chains were only replaced upon either chain failure or during a repair that required chain removal. Chains were sometimes enclosed, but never cleaned. I'd like to draw a conclusion that I really shouldn't use a clip type master. I would add that hat I have seen riveted masters fail, though I had no way of knowing it was properly done. I suspect it was not done properly and not the fault of the master.