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Hi Guys i just replace the belts on my Paul Smart i have no tool to figure this out,The waiting time is like two week at the dealer.Thank you
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As above or.......

Ducati Suite- Belt Tension Adjustment

Works equally well.
Do a search for the 5mm Allen wrench method of setting timing belt tension. I use that technique and it has worked fine for me.


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Thanks for the reply, i had to change the 2 bearing on the belt tensionner
I also use the 5mm (.197”) method. I use a 3/16 (.188”) steel rod as the “go” gage and a 6mm Allen key as the “No Go” gage. Make sure the cylinder you are checking is on TDC (Top Dead Center).

Twice I have caught my Dealer setting the belt tension on the horizontal cylinder way too tight! The first time it burned up a bearing, luckily I caught it before the belt went.
Even if you have the dealer install the belts always double check yourself with a 5mm Allen key.

Lee
LT's book says for the DS1000, use a 4mm key on the vertical cylinder and a 1mm feeler gauge on the horizontal. Anyone use this method?
Was using the 5mm but then used LT's method, 12000k's since no problems
LT's book says for the DS1000, use a 4mm key on the vertical cylinder and a 1mm feeler gauge on the horizontal. Anyone use this method?
Am I reading this correctly that you are setting the belt tension on the horizontal cylinder at 1mm when it is cold? That seems really tight. I use a computer and a mic to set mine at 110hz as recommended in the service manual and I am sure the front belt is considerably looser than 1 mm even though I have not measured the gap after setting.
Am I reading this correctly that you are setting the belt tension on the horizontal cylinder at 1mm when it is cold? That seems really tight. I use a computer and a mic to set mine at 110hz as recommended in the service manual and I am sure the front belt is considerably looser than 1 mm even though I have not measured the gap after setting.
From the WorkShop Manual of the 1000DS, 142Hz (+-5Hz).
Ducati changed the belt tension from loose to tight.

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The 140hz rating is too tight. They later revised to 110hz in a service bulletin
I just eyeball em and check them when its hot to make sure they are not too tight ......never an issue....


Having said that I am working on developing a permanent solution to this .....stay tuned

:D

Muzz
I borrowed a friend's harmonic tuning tool last time I did my bikes. I found it somewhat frustrating to use. You have to strum the belt just so, while holding the mic in the right spot and tilting your head left with your tongue sticking out toward the bike. Even if you do all that right, the readings jump all over the place at first. After setting the belts on all three bikes, I noticed that the 45deg rule seemed to apply on every cylinder. Hmmm. Maybe we should just put all the tools away and use the thumb and forefinger?

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I borrowed a friend's harmonic tuning tool last time I did my bikes. I found it somewhat frustrating to use. You have to strum the belt just so, while holding the mic in the right spot and tilting your head left with your tongue sticking out toward the bike. Even if you do all that right, the readings jump all over the place at first. After setting the belts on all three bikes, I noticed that the 45deg rule seemed to apply on every cylinder. Hmmm. Maybe we should just put all the tools away and use the thumb and forefinger?

Me too. Also checked with the 5mm hex key. 5mm went, 6mm didn't.
Does anyone know of a good frequency measuring app for Android?

I tried this (DO NOT DOWNLOAD): Download Musical Tuner 1.2 Free - A simple to use tuner listener and oscilloscope rendering software. - Softpedia

Took me an hour to delete all the bogus software that got installed with it :mad:
Check and see if Studio Six FFT is available for your phone. Their iPhone app is great.
Does anyone know of a good frequency measuring app for Android?
I downloaded the gStrings chromatic tuner to my Droid4 and used it tonight setting the belts on my Multistrudel.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...trings&feature=nav_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDNd

It worked pretty well, but I did get quite a few outlier readings. If I was very careful and plucked at just the right speed and with the right force, I could get some pretty consistent readings. It is a PITA to position the phone not having a little mic on a wire, but at a $249.99 savings over the Motoreva tool (Desmo Times Product 183 - Motoreva Belt Tensioner), I'll take my chances...
I downloaded the gStrings chromatic tuner to my Droid4 and used it tonight setting the belts on my Multistrudel.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...trings&feature=nav_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDNd

It worked pretty well, but I did get quite a few outlier readings. If I was very careful and plucked at just the right speed and with the right force, I could get some pretty consistent readings. It is a PITA to position the phone not having a little mic on a wire, but at a $249.99 savings over the Motoreva tool (Desmo Times Product 183 - Motoreva Belt Tensioner), I'll take my chances...
I downloaded this as well. As you say w/o a wire microphone it's a PITA, but I scrounged up an old hands free kit (before I used Bluetooth) and plugged it in my Droid. After experimenting with a rubber band, I generally got multiple readings within 1 Hz. Thanks!
I just eyeball em and check them when its hot to make sure they are not too tight ......never an issue....


Having said that I am working on developing a permanent solution to this .....stay tuned

:D

Muzz
I'm with you Muzzmann........There is such a change between vertical and horizontal- hot and cold, that a single cold spec. makes no sense to me. Especially the low frequency that I don't find reproducible enough to trust. I ended up setting mine by "feel", monitoring between hot and cold, and adjusting as I thought appropriate. Once again by feel. I've been a Euro car tech for 40+ years and have been dealing with this question for almost that long. I always follow manufacturers procedures but this one makes no sense. I did use my approach as an excuse to add Speedymoto sprocket covers to make monitoring easier.......completely practical addition! I plan on developing a "happy" hot frequency for each cylinder......they will be different. In the mean time, I can see the belts and bearings every time I step on and off the bike. For the cost and time involved I plan on changing belts every 2 year/10k miles anyway. Bearings every other time. I'm having to dig to find maintenance to do on this lovely lady other than cleaning. Not at all like back when you'd figure 1/1 maintenance to ride time. Gotta love it!!
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I see the confusion. There's a different tension spec for a Paul Smart 4-valve engine than for a 2-valve 1000DS.

Ducati Tension Levels from Gates

The attached tension requirement was published by Gates in early 2011, about a year after the Bulletin from Ducati North America.

This differs from the earlier DNA Bulletin that said that Ducati 2-valve and 4-valve belts should be tensioned to 105-115 Hz and there is no spec difference between the horizontal and vertical cylinder belts on any of the air-cooled models.

The 2 and 3 valve engine run shorter belts with shorter runs between the pulleys so the frequency is higher to assure the same tension.

Correction: The Paul Smart is a 2-valve 1000DS, not a 4-valve engine as stated above.

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