Any availability update for full Termi exhaust?
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Same for me.
Food for Thought
The lack of Termis availability may be a result of the "flat spot" issue discussed at length in a number of other thread. Consider that at the press introduction, all of the bikes were equipped with Termis. What do you think the press reaction would have been had they ridden stock bikes? Not to mention that the press only got to ride the bikes on a race course so that any low-speed driveability issues would have been minimized or overlooked. Imagine stock bikes on the street and in town during the intro.
Then consider that many, if not most, dealer demo bikes are equipped with Termis for the same reason. How many of you "first adopters" would have had the same reaction had you test ridden a stock bike?
So, if the initial production of Termis was based on a reasonable sales expectation, the need for Termis by dealers for demos and at the press introduction may have soaked up all of the initial production run. Is it possible that Ducati may have "suggested" to dealers that they install Termis on their demos and maybe even offered incentive pricing for them to do so?
Food for thought.
The lack of Termis availability may be a result of the "flat spot" issue discussed at length in a number of other thread. Consider that at the press introduction, all of the bikes were equipped with Termis. What do you think the press reaction would have been had they ridden stock bikes? Not to mention that the press only got to ride the bikes on a race course so that any low-speed driveability issues would have been minimized or overlooked. Imagine stock bikes on the street and in town during the intro.
Then consider that many, if not most, dealer demo bikes are equipped with Termis for the same reason. How many of you "first adopters" would have had the same reaction had you test ridden a stock bike?
So, if the initial production of Termis was based on a reasonable sales expectation, the need for Termis by dealers for demos and at the press introduction may have soaked up all of the initial production run. Is it possible that Ducati may have "suggested" to dealers that they install Termis on their demos and maybe even offered incentive pricing for them to do so?
Food for thought.
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The SFS bike I demo'ed about 3 weeks ago here in the US had stock exhaust, and no updates to the ECU, and had decent drivability. I think it is probably just a routine production delay, perhaps related to reduced staffing in the Termignoni factory due to the global recession, and reduced demand overall for their products.
No tin foil hat for me.
No tin foil hat for me.
IMO I don't think this is the case. The demo's do not have the full system, they have slip ons. These still have the flat spot. The initial release for these where always end July and "so far" this still is the case.
With regards to the bikes for the press introduction, I'm not sure if they said they had the slip ons or full race exhaust. I also think that the print media is careful on what is printed in the magazines due to the enormous amount of advertising that Ducati does. Lastly, this issue may not have been evident to them on the track.
Just my opinion.
Ken
That's what I think too. It is a new bike and all of the parts/accessories are not out yet. Right now the exhaust is not late. The original date was to be towards the end of July. If there was a shortage of parts with the other models as well, then it could mean something else.
Ken
Ken
Just for the record, I demoed the SFS at two different dealers and they both had Termis. I didn't inquire as to whether they were full systems or not. However, I noticed no driveability issues at all and one of the tests (escorted) was rather sedate and on city streets for the most part. From reading the many posts about how bad the flat spot issue is, I assumed they were full systems because of that.
Even if they were slip-ons, the posited theory could still hold because the lack of cans to go with the ECM could delay the availability of the full system.
Wintermulte's experience of demoing a stock SF makes me wonder whether there should be a poll about what setup was on the bike other riders demoed. I gathered from the posts and from my experience that most demos had Termis but that may not be true. The poll may not be worth it though since the sense of the replies to my theory is to give Ducati a break.
Even if they were slip-ons, the posited theory could still hold because the lack of cans to go with the ECM could delay the availability of the full system.
Wintermulte's experience of demoing a stock SF makes me wonder whether there should be a poll about what setup was on the bike other riders demoed. I gathered from the posts and from my experience that most demos had Termis but that may not be true. The poll may not be worth it though since the sense of the replies to my theory is to give Ducati a break.
From what I heard, the dealers were given one set of slipons to put on the their demo bikes. My dealer as well as other dealers I had called told me this. I had called around as I was looking to by slipons when I first bought the bike. The bikes do not have full race exhaust systems on them.
The bike that I demoed had no driveability issues on it and it had the slipons on the bike. If it had ridden like my bike did, I would have thought twice about buying it. With the download that I got, I can live with the way it. Actually it is a moot point since I am putting the race exhaust on the bike anyway.
It is a foregone conclusion already about the flat spot and that is why Ducati did something about it. unfortunately it is not a 100% fix yet.
Ken
The bike that I demoed had no driveability issues on it and it had the slipons on the bike. If it had ridden like my bike did, I would have thought twice about buying it. With the download that I got, I can live with the way it. Actually it is a moot point since I am putting the race exhaust on the bike anyway.
It is a foregone conclusion already about the flat spot and that is why Ducati did something about it. unfortunately it is not a 100% fix yet.
Ken
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I asked my dealer about the Termis on the demo bike and he said Ducati always ships Termis with their demo bikes - that was the only set he had.
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When I test rode the dealers Black S, I had nothing to compare it to. When I went back to "attempt" to get my flash done, I rode it again. It had termis, and it was no way near as smooth as mine with the FatDucs. The termis do change how the power comes on though, from what I remember it was more abrupt or sharp in comparison to the stock ecu/cans... but at <4k it was horrible. The engine braking is totally different with the termi setup also, as it should be.
I think I will continue to wait for Arrow as they may offer a stock full solution and/or a race set up (which probably means better intake with a high flow filter).
I think I will continue to wait for Arrow as they may offer a stock full solution and/or a race set up (which probably means better intake with a high flow filter).
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