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Aluminum Tank: Paul Smart/S Fairing Mounting Poll

3516 Views 14 Replies 8 Participants Last post by RedST, May 22, 2009

RedST

Discussion Starter · May 13, 2009 (Edited)

From the discussion at http://www.ducati.ms/forums/showthread.php?t=64418:

It has been proposed to reduce the R&D costs of the aluminum tank, by making one tank for Sport 1000 and PS/S models. Those with Paul Smart and S bikes would need to acquire a separate kit that would secure the fairing, and the tank would have no attachment to the fairing itself.

A possible solution: http://www.airtech-streamlining.com/ducati/SPORTCLASSIC2006-08.htm

(Please note that it doesn't actually look like Airtech is selling the mounting bracket, but offering it up as a suggestion. Possibly we could fab this as well.)

If it cuts down on R&D, are you in favor, or do you want to keep the stock mounting setup?

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Hardball

· #2 · May 13, 2009

SE84 said:
From the discussion at http://www.ducati.ms/forums/showthread.php?t=64418:

It has been proposed to reduce the R&D costs of the aluminum tank, by making one tank for Sport 1000 and PS/S models. Those with Paul Smart and S bikes would need to acquire a separate kit that would secure the fairing, and the tank would have no attachment to the fairing itself.

A possible solution: http://www.airtech-streamlining.com/ducati/SPORTCLASSIC2006-08.htm

(Please note that it doesn't actually look like Airtech is selling the mounting bracket, but offering it up as a suggestion. Possibly we could fab this as well.)

If it cuts down on R&D, are you in favor, or do you want to keep the stock mounting setup?

The brackets are relatively simple parts to make. These would mount to the frame behind the forward tank mounting cups. In the alternate, fairing mount bosses can be mounted to a reinforcing plate and welded to the shell after forming. The disadvantage to this method is that there would be little or no adjustment available, whereas the brackets can be made to allow for best fitment.

Keep those cards and letters coming...

Classic_Duc

· #3 · May 13, 2009

Brackets for me

I'm good with brackets.
They look simple in design and really for any small additional cost they reduce the development costs significantly.

The need to buy additional fixing does have some impact on the overall cost to change.

Not so painful on a tank up to $1000...but more painful on an $1800 tank.

I like the way this is progressing!!

a63buggy

· #4 · May 13, 2009

Its aluminium you can add mounting points afterwards

I voted no because you can either make simple brackets or....... its metal you can add the bump at the bottom with out any trouble at all even if it is originally a non-fairing tank.

That's the beauty of metal you can add things.

Really this seems to be a non issue you can make it a regular SC tank and if somebody says I want to mount fairing stock style...... it just welds to the bottom on the outside. We can have our cake and eat it too for a change

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MyNameIsX

· #5 · May 14, 2009

could a mod remove my vote? It's late and i misread the post.... yay 14 hour work days.

roggt1000

· #6 · May 14, 2009

I have a GT atm.....but could own a PS or a 2009 S any time soon...my vote would be to have a common tank with the option to modify to add a fairing.

Let's get this thing happening.....it's the best thing that could happen to these bikes.

Cheers Roger

NJ-DUC

· #7 · May 19, 2009

Options

I like the options that a tank without the mounts presents. I actually think the tank would look cleaner without the fairing mounts attached. I would love to have someone fab the brackets though. Uh, when will the tanks be ready?! Also, anyone done any research on who can paint these up like the originals?

RedST

Discussion Starter · #8 · May 19, 2009

I would think that the shortest timeframe to having the first tank model scanned and tooled, would be about 2-3 months. Of course there are a lot of variables, but the biggest are: dollars and parts. The scanner is ready to go whenever, and Harball seems to be gearing up to go.

But having the model tanks, and the dollars to pay for scanning and having pristine tanks to send them, would be the biggest hurdles as of now.

If you (or anyone) wish to help accelerate this process, please consider a donation to the pool.

So far, we have commitment for the Sport tanks from either elemtfmfl or myself, and I am reviewing the scanner quotes now.

We are looking for folks that are warranty candidates for the GT and PS/S tanks as well.

As for painting the tanks, we haven't reached that state yet. I would say at this point, that people may want to find their own shop, but as the time comes nearer, I foresee that we will try to line something up as an option.

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Hardball

· #9 · May 19, 2009

SE84 said:
I would think that the shortest timeframe to having the first tank model scanned and tooled, would be about 2-3 months. Of course there are a lot of variables, but the biggest are: dollars and parts. The scanner is ready to go whenever, and Harball seems to be gearing up to go.

But having the model tanks, and the dollars to pay for scanning and having pristine tanks to send them, would be the biggest hurdles as of now.

If you (or anyone) wish to help accelerate this process, please consider a donation to the pool.

So far, we have commitment for the Sport tanks from either elemtfmfl or myself, and I am reviewing the scanner quotes now.

We are looking for folks that are warranty candidates for the GT and PS/S tanks as well.

As for painting the tanks, we haven't reached that state yet. I would say at this point, that people may want to find their own shop, but as the time comes nearer, I foresee that we will try to line something up as an option.

Hairball here...lol

Figure 8 weeks after final CAD for tooling, assuming we have enough orders to support a tooling expense. I'm trying to drive the break even qty down as far as it will go. Please remember that we still need to go through a few prototyping steps as well. No point in replacing one problem tank with another.

I have a new S1K tank inbound for my bike as well. We can scan that one too. Sikkens makes excellent color matched paint for the SC color schemes. Decals anyone? And is there any significant interest in the seat cowl and fender?

RedST

Discussion Starter · #10 · May 19, 2009

Hey, be fair...

Harball...as in har har har.

I forgot the "d" in Hardball, but I surely didn't call you hairball, or Shirley.

a63buggy

· #11 · May 19, 2009

SE84 said:
Hey, be fair...

Harball...as in har har har.

I forgot the "d" in Hardball, but I surely didn't call you hairball, or Shirley.

Shirley you must be kidding! and good luck, we're all counting on you!

hmmm and if you think about it you could talk about it shaking and shimmying all day!

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squarecat

· #12 · May 20, 2009

Hardball said:
...And is there any significant interest in the seat cowl and fender?

i am interested in cowl and fender, but as i was searching around the webz i found a site that already offers a s1k aluminum fender. it wasnt an exact replica of the oem fender, but it did look pretty good. i will see if i can find it again and post it for you guys to see.

squarecat

· #13 · May 22, 2009

aluminum fender:

http://www.masengineering.it/

sidebar: Ducati/sportclassic : 3rd pic down

Hardball

· #14 · May 22, 2009

squarecat said:
aluminum fender:

http://www.masengineering.it/

sidebar: Ducati/sportclassic : 3rd pic down

Meh...not what I had in mind. I like the aluminum windscreen though.

RedST

Discussion Starter · #15 · May 22, 2009

I was up at the dealer on Tuesday, and was looking at the Black SC 'S' they had on the floor.

With respect to the tank attachment points, there are two large-ish triangular bits that affix to the underside of the tank that are the attachment points for the rear fairing mounts. These could easily be fabbed separately, and then tacked onto the bottom pan for the AL tank.

The front mounts were not very visible, and I would need to see how the tank looks for those, but so far it would seem trivial to just weld on the mounts to the tank bottom piece.

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