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9x6/8 rear tyre size.. 190/50 or 180/55

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I have used the search tool and there are numerous different threads on the topic of "which tire size is best' for a 9x6/8. The general consensus appears to be that for the 5,5" rear wheel its the 180/55 and for the 6" wheel its the 190/50. Given that the standard 5 spoke marchesini's are 5.5" why does the workshop manual states that for a standard 996 the 190/50 is the correct size.. ???

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Its a give and take, do you want more power to the ground or do you want to turn in quicker? You also have to consider tire profile. A 180 is to narrow to fit on a 6" wheel but will fit a 5.5" and offers a good compromise. A 190 on a 5.5" will have better turn in and allow more power down. A 180 on a 5" loses the power delivery but will turn in.

A good real world example is my 07 Aprilia RSV-R, it has a 6" which is to wide for a 180. Factory is a 190/50. A lot of guys run a 190/55 to give the tire more crown and better turn in, or quicker lean whichever way you want to describe it.
There was a mix of 5.5” and 6“ on some of the bikes. My 998 had a 5.5“ and came with a 190. It was literally squished out of shape and even on track it wouldn’t use the whole tread width, because the profile of the tyre was too round/tall. I switched to a 180 and it was instantly better; I used the whole of the tread immediately, the bike turned better and was more nimble because the tyre was the shape it was designed to be. The power to the ground is irrelevant as many bikes have as much if not more power and run 180 profiles quite happily - GSXR750 for one. In fact a 180 on a 5.5” rim will give you a bigger footprint than an out of shape 190, so more grip. If you have a 5.5” rim install a 180 and if you have a 6” use a 190. If you need more convincing call any of the tyre importers tech depts and they’ll tell you the same. Cheers
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std fitment on them all was 190/50 on a 5.5. just what ducati did. no production bike had a 6.0 wheel. people who wanted to ride them fast fitted 180/55. i would always recommend a 180 on one, but people after "the look" usually go 190.
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Marketing, period.

Wheels usually have 3 tire sizes that are correct for a given width.
for a 5.5" wheel they are ...
170 - used on supersports, St series, monsters and 748 iirc
180 - used on some superbikes 851,916, and 748, 749 iirc
190 - used on superbikes 996 iirc, 998, 999

the 180 is mostly what was raced the 190 slows handling and mushrooms the tire at the edge making it harder to get to the edge. The tire size that was used in a 190/50 was not great for handling so later on chasing the best shape tire they came up with the 190/55 on 6.0 inch wheels to get closer to the combination of 5.5 and a 180.

If you want the best handling go 180 if on the other hand you don't ride that hard and like the look or simply want the oem size then go 190. Any of the 3 sizes will work safely if you do your part so it will be a change of feel and handling between them.
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Almost nothing good now is made in 190/50. Do yourself a favor and get some 180/60 pirellis if you're riding on the street. Modern tires really transform the bike for the better.
Great thought the 180/60 is about changing 2 things
1. larger sidewall for more tire flex
2. taller tire to make the geometry steeper.

the 180/55 works quite well and the bike in question has ride height adjust ability so he can simply adjust his geometry to the same as the 180/60 if desired and if he does not like it return to stock with no parts changing needed.
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Would a 180/60 be a heavier tire than a 180/55 for the same brand and model of tire etc..?
good question I have not compared weight , I would guess the answer is yes but I would expect the amount to be small. If I had a bike that would benefit from some rear ride height and was not adjustable to add it the 10/60 would work well.
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If you look at different manufacturers tires of the same size the weight is different, so yes probably as ducvet said. But also likely to be insignificant. Without carbon wheels and super low unsprung weight you likely wouldnt notice the difference.
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Seriously, 190/50's should be illegal on a sportsbike, if you are found with one you should immediately be banished to the Harley corner.
Ben, just wondering what you mean by asking if "190/50 is the correct size"?
If you want something OEM to put in a glass case then there is no arguing with what you posted from the manual.
If you mean something else, ie "better handling", "better grip", "more agility" then that's a whole different question.....and the correct answer is "it all depends" Depends on what? What you want from the bike, and what you mean by "better".
Something that a lot of folks have a misconception about is what a 190 does on a 5.5" rim, vs a 180. Many folks just pinch the bead of an unmounted tyre and think the pointier parabola that appears is how the tyre will be when mounted: absolutely not so.
For this to happen the circumference of the tyre would have to change, but the reinforcing in the carcass makes this impossible, all they have done is distort the bead, something which is corrected once the tyre is mounted.
So the tyre profile does not get more "pointy", but it does get distorted, staying much the same in the middle but bulging more towards the edge of the tyre. Forgive my crap drawing, but something like this for say 180/60 vs 190/55 (approx same diameter) mounted on a 5.5" rim:
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Supersport racers love the 190 or even 200 on a 5.5" rim because they can get a big fat contact patch like this (albeit running just 26psi in a Pirelli hot off the warmers):
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That's Shakey Byrne (BSB) but you get the idea: any handling compromises are acceptable if you can get a contact patch like that, even with "only" 150hp in a SS machine.
Even if you're not Shakey slumming it on here, realistically it's not a night vs day handling difference, it's something you can largely make up for with the geometry adjustment available on a Ducati (I used 23.5deg steering head angle even on the road on my old 916).
You've just gotta ask yourself what does "better" mean for you? Is slower initial turn-in actually "worse"? Or just different? You might like slightly more agility if you're carving canyons, or maybe you want the big footprint for punching out of slow corners at a stop/start goat track. Or you might just want the extra mileage a flatter 190 centre section gives you if you're touring. "Better" is a very subjective thing.
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I had looked at multiple previous threads on the subject and the general consensus is that the 180/55 is the correct size but I then wondered why the workshop manual stated 190/50 is the correct size, hence the post. I'll be putting a 180/55 on both of them.
The tire weights are interesting. I just received a set of Pirelli Diablo Rosso III's for my hypermotard and they feel much heavier than the SuperCorsa's . I'll have to weigh them and see as Pirelli don't list tire weight anywhere on their website.
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If you look at different manufacturers tires of the same size the weight is different, so yes probably as ducvet said. But also likely to be insignificant. Without carbon wheels and super low unsprung weight you likely wouldnt notice the difference.
Ah, but with carbon wheels and having made everything else that spins as light as my wallet will allow..
I'm sure the weight difference would be reasonably small, but I would still be curious to know what it would be. I do know there is significant weight difference between tire sizes and brands, and if one has put the effort in to reduce the rotating mass as much as possible then adding weight unnecessarily seems counter productive. My last set of Corsa 2s were 180/60, I'll be putting on the new Corsa 4 this coming season and will have to check on the weight difference as it wasn't something that crossed my mind until now
You arent wrong, if I were spending ridiculous amounts of money to eliminate weight I might go through the exercise. But at that point which is more important, a couple ounces or weight or a noticeable amount of grip? And where do you stop, titanium fasteners, aluminum sprocket that will wear out often, hell for that matter why not swap out the caliper pistons for titanium if you are going to go crazy. At some point you have to factor in diminishing returns.

Everything we do to these things is either diminishing returns or a personal preference. Hell I have heard some people complain that the 916 series bikes feel unstable when they turn in quickly because of a tire profile change. But as pointed out you could accomplish the same thing with setup.
You arent wrong, if I were spending ridiculous amounts of money to eliminate weight I might go through the exercise. But at that point which is more important, a couple ounces or weight or a noticeable amount of grip? And where do you stop, titanium fasteners, aluminum sprocket that will wear out often, hell for that matter why not swap out the caliper pistons for titanium if you are going to go crazy. At some point you have to factor in diminishing returns.

Everything we do to these things is either diminishing returns or a personal preference. Hell I have heard some people complain that the 916 series bikes feel unstable when they turn in quickly because of a tire profile change. But as pointed out you could accomplish the same thing with setup.
A long time ago I decided I was going to pursue lower weight on my 996 as a general philosophy. I was inspired by three things; the feel of the Honda Hawk that I owned three years before I purchased my first 996, Tadao Babas design philosophy behind the original Blade ( chase light weight for every single component obsessively because no matter how small the weight savings may be, the knock on effect to the next component, that can then be designed lighter, and the motorcycle itself , can be profound in the end result ), and the heavy, ponderous, uninspiring feel of the stock 996 when I first bought it in '03. I knew I loved the look of the 996, the feel of the engine, but in stock form it needed a fair bit of work to make it a satisfying, responsive, back road scratcher.
Of course, taken on their own in isolation some of the weight saving measures I've followed don't make much sense. But the 65 ish lbs I've lost from the stock 996 weight DOES make a lot of sense to me on a twisty road! Especially if I cast my mind back to the ponderous beasty I first purchased twenty years ago this September.
I will add that one of the first changes that made the biggest difference to handling dynamics was the change to the 180 section rear. With the 190 the bike required too much effort to steer into the corner, and then on the throttle on the way out she just wanted to head for the weeds, somewhat regardless of my best efforts to encourage her otherwise. With the 180 she was altogether a far more obliging dance partner.
With the 180/60 I didn't really notice that much of a difference to the 180/55, likely because when I mounted the 180/60 it had been a few year gap since I'd last ridden the bike with the 180/55. I might just go back to the 180/55 for the Corsa 4 just to see if i can feel any difference between the two. My rear ride height is already near maximum
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Wow 65 lbs is A LOT, have you ever done a write up on what all you did to get that down? Not that I am in a position to go that route at the moment but would be interesting reading. Fortunately at this point I dont have a reference to know the difference lol.

Thats exactly what I have heard, an altogether different beast on the 180 as compared to the 190. I have 180/55 on mine, I never rode it with the 190s on it.
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What tire is recommended when you have a 17 x 5.75 wheel?
Personally I would take a hard look at tire profiles, but would probably lean toward a 190. A 180 would fit but you would more than likely be deforming the tire a bit.
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Wow 65 lbs is A LOT, have you ever done a write up on what all you did to get that down? Not that I am in a position to go that route at the moment but would be interesting reading. Fortunately at this point I dont have a reference to know the difference lol.

Thats exactly what I have heard, an altogether different beast on the 180 as compared to the 190. I have 180/55 on mine, I never rode it with the 190s on it.
I'm not sure it's really worth a long write up as I just followed a simple formula; if it spins make it as light as possible, if it's not necessary get rid of it, and if it's plastic make it carbon. Go through the bike with a fine tooth comb and never settle for "this weight saving won't make a difference", cuz when you add it all up, 65 lbs have gone away
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